21st

[ref]

Anyone else out there tried to get money from them upon closing account and only get lies?. Have been trying for 6 weeks now.

[matt]

I just opened an account with them the other day. Nothing big but enough to be worried about. After all, it's still my money. Based on your experience, should I be concerned?

[skeptic]

Go see "The Clink" off of the main menu on this site.

Sounds like they should be downgraded to NO PAY from slow pay.

Matt, get your money if you can. Ref, good luck, I hope you get it. I just wish people would check this site BEFORE they send money.

Please see the following thread from a few months ago:
http://www.bettorsworld.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000499.html

[Underdog7]

21st - obviously hit the bottom. They are not considered slow paying, going down or whatsoever. THEY'RE OUT!!!

[ashley]

ref, Do you like beautiful, tropical, TINY, very friendly, and peaceful islands in the Caribean? Maybe it is time to take a vacation to Aruba? I am sure Henry would be glad to pay you if you looked him up. Maybe you can organize a group tour with the many others that are not being paid by 21st? You better hurry. They are still open and taking bets and deposits now. Who knows about tomorrow?
Matt, Concerned? You have been screwed. Do not waste your time making bets. If you happen to win, you will not be paid. It will be a frustrating experience calling every day just to hear lie upon lie. Demand your money. The only out you realisticaly have is vacationing in ARUBA and looking up HENRY. I almost forgot. If you were refered by Mark Vincent and Sports accross America , you are insured up to 5,000.
Skeptic, Who else does Mark Vincent and sports across America endorse? I bet you have signed up with all of them.

[skeptic]

Ashley, if you follow my posts in the above mentioned thread you will realize I have NEVER been a fan of Mr. Vincent and his "buy my advertising and I'll endorse your books."

I spoke out early against him but many ignored me because they wanted their free pagers and bonuses.

I have searched through the archives and found that SAA has endorsed the following books at some point:

Premiere League

Sterling

21st Century

thegambler.com

Both NASA's (I don't know which one originally but in one thread Mr. Vincent vouches for NASA 2 since he spoke to the guys at NASA 1, I still can't figure out which is the original)

Lets not forget the ebanx family of sports books, ebanx although an interesting concept IS NOT A BANK. It is just another company that claims to be a bank, whether or not they are actually a third party is still unconfirmed.

grandprixsports.com

thebigbook.com

Sports Market (which they no longer endorse because they had a falling out with over agent fees)

For the above you can feel free to substitute, "accepted advertising dollars in exchange for touting their operation," for the word ENDORSE

[MARK VINCENT]

it is funny...the only people bitching are those that are not members. saa has paid members because of slow pay from 21st. there are 2 left one large and one small still waiting.i cannot fly down there and put a gun to their head. do i send customers there? no. i challenge any one on this forum to come up here and post a NO PAY from any of the sports books mentioned above who we endorse and that advertise with us. ask our members about us and the service they receive. yes, we have had our growing pains and will work them out soon. you should spend more time posting comments on scams that have ruined peoples lives while putting millions in their pockets and look at what we do for the player. good luck, mark vincent.

[MARK VINCENT]

skeptic, have i ever spoken to you? who the hell are you? you seem to think you know me?
do you?

[Cusip]

I *hope* this is not a repeat of the bash SAA thread a month or so ago. But if it is, here's my $.02 -- MV and SAA have done what they have promised. The pager had no strings; sure the schedule is chock full of ads, but so what? Small price. I get *0* annoying phone call solicitations. I posted with Grand Prix because the puck line is sometimes very different. I've sent about $4,000 back and forth and have had no trouble with Ebanx. No delays, certainly no bounced checks.
As for SAA endorsing bad books, that can happen anywhere, even here. Nobody is perfect. But where is the "scam" element people keep talking about? Since "joining" (read: doing nothing but email MV), I've received the pager, an EXTRA $50 from GP from my post up, some schedules and a few other mailers. If anything, I have scammed them. Okay, enough of this diatribe. Don't let the bashers get to you, Mark.
--Seth

[STING]

For Matt, why would you have posted up with 21st Century when you requested info about this place and everybody came on and gave their opinions (which was not good)? I honestly don't understand the point of you asking the question if you did not intend on following the advice. You also posted a question regarding sportsbooks in Aruba: FYI, Grand Holiday was also located in Aruba and these guys were good for nothing as well. At least you sent them only a small portion of your bank roll.