so-called 20th hijacker

[FIREBALL XL5]

this moussawi guy who is supposed to be the so-called 20th hijacker from 9/11 and who never made it onto the plane...how come he didn't make it onto the plane? did he oversleep? or what? you never hear

and which plane was he supposed to be on? twin towers 1, twin towers 2, pentagon or western pa. crash?

[Blowfish]

He was in jail for a visa violation. Hence, he missed the plane.

[STEVE TURNER]

Blowfish is wrong again. He was shacked-up with another man.

One more day till football and we can start posting good things again.

[Blowfish]

OK, shacked up with another man in a JAIL CELL then. He had taken flying lessons, etc. etc. but had been picked up for a Visa violation or something I thought. I'm going from memory, I've heard so much about this crap that I'm not sure who's who anymore.

[Blowfish]

He was in Jail

Calls link jailed suspect to hijackers

By Toni Locy, Richard Willing and Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY

AP
Moussaoui

WASHINGTON — An Islamic radical who took flying lessons in Oklahoma and Minnesota exchanged several phone calls this year with some of the hijackers who carried out the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, federal sources say. FBI investigators recently learned of the phone calls, which represent the strongest link yet between Zacarias Moussaoui and the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Moussaoui, a French citizen of Moroccan descent, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota nearly a month before the hijackings.

Investigators say they are exploring a range of ways Moussaoui, 33, might have been involved with terrorism, including whether he was supposed to have joined the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11 or whether he was to have participated in other terrorist assaults.

Three of the four planes that crashed that day were taken over by teams of five hijackers armed with box cutters and knives. The fourth flight, which was headed toward Washington when it crashed in rural Pennsylvania as passengers revolted, carried only four hijackers.

Investigators say they have no evidence suggesting that other hijackings were planned on Sept. 11.

Moussaoui attracted attention in Minnesota this summer by offering a flight school more than $8,000 in cash for lessons in how to handle a plane in mid-flight. He was not interested in learning how to take off or land.

Moussaoui was arrested for a visa violation Aug. 17.

A foreign intelligence source said Tuesday that Moussaoui had been investigated by French police for his involvement with Islamic extremist groups in France.

He is being held in New York City as a material witness, meaning that authorities believe he has information about the hijackers or the attacks. He has not cooperated with investigators.

The new information about Moussaoui comes as the FBI-led worldwide probe into the attacks has focused on fewer than 100 people now in federal custody and another 133 wanted for questioning. Since Sept. 19, the FBI has dropped 284 names from a list of people wanted for questioning in the case.

Special attention has fallen on Moussaoui and three others: Nabil al-Marabh, a former Boston cabdriver linked by an informant to terrorism sponsor Osama bin Laden, and Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Azmath, who were carrying box cutters and thousands of dollars in cash when they were arrested aboard a train in Texas on Sept. 11.

Earlier that day, Khan and Azmath had flown from Newark, N.J., to St. Louis. Their flight was to have gone on to San Antonio. They boarded a train in St. Louis and headed south after the flight was grounded amid the attacks.

Al-Marabh, Khan and Azmath are in custody as material witnesses and are not cooperating, investigators say. Their activities in the months leading up to the hijackings have become a big part of the investigation; authorities are devoting massive resources to charting their past movements in hopes of identifying others who had contact with the hijackers.

Investigators and foreign intelligence sources say Moussaoui fits the profile of the hijackers in many respects. Like all four of the suicide pilots, he lived and traveled extensively in the West. Like suspected ringleader Mohamed Atta, as a young adult he converted to a radical form of Islam that justifies "holy war" on Jews and Christians.

Moussaoui apparently arrived in America last spring and took flying lessons at a Norman, Okla., flight school where three other hijackers had trained. Under arrest in Minnesota, he was observed by jailers cheering TV reports of the hijackings.

The New York Times reported Thursday that German authorities believe Moussaoui received $15,000 in money transfers from Germany in August, shortly before beginning an $8,300 flying course at a school in Eagan, Minn.

At least three of the suicide pilots, including Atta, had previously lived in Germany. Authorities say they suspect that the hijacking plots were devised there.

In other respects, authorities say, Moussaoui does not fit the hijackers' profile.

He arrived later and began flight training in America later than the others.

The four hijacker pilots had completed their flight training and were enjoying a vacation-like period on the East Coast while Moussaoui was still struggling to grasp the basics of flight.

And unlike the others, who traveled in pairs and larger groups, Moussaoui seemed to be a loner.

Investigators said Tuesday that they know of no network of terrorism supporters in Minnesota.

Authorities say the investigation is moving forward with three goals: disrupt any networks still active here, determine exactly how the Sept. 11 attacks were done and catch any living accomplices.

"The main focus is to ferret out associates and figure out what the hell the others may have been planning or if there was a Phase 2 or Phase 3," a law enforcement source said.

He said the connections between the people in custody and the hijackers range from innocent or unwitting acquaintanceships — such as people who attended flight school with the hijackers — to actions that are unexplainable or appear to show deception.

Elsewhere, Charlie Tweedy, owner of Careers World Wide, a small truck-driving school in Henderson, Colo., denied a Time magazine report that suggested he had trained at least two dozen Arab-speaking men who paid cash for driving lessons during the past 2 years.

FBI agents have been checking records at driving schools across the USA after learning that several Middle Easterners believed to have associated with the hijackers had tried to obtain licenses to drive trucks that carry hazardous materials.

Tweedy confirmed that on Thursday an FBI agent visited his school, which is just north of Denver, and examined files on the school's past students for about 45 minutes. "I asked him if I'd done anything wrong," Tweedy said. "He said, 'No. Sept. 11 has changed things.' "

He said the agent found five or six student names that might have been Arabic "if you want to call it that." All but one, he said, "were native-born. Most of the people live right here in Denver."

[Blowfish]

In Case You Were Wondering

Zacarias Moussaoui, a French Moroccan who'd already been in custody at the time of the September 11 attacks, has been indicted for conspiring with Osama bin Laden in the attacks. The counts:
1) Conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism
2) Conspiracy to commit air piracy
3) Conspiracy to destroy aircraft
4) Conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction
5) Conspiracy to commit murder
6) Conspiracy to destroy property


If they can't get him on ONE of those, we have a real problem folks.

[STEVE TURNER]

Mr. Blowfish: I hope he dosen't get a jury of his so called peers. Don't forget, OJ Simpson and Lewis.

[Te tutava nei matou]

claus von bulow got off too