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  • Monday Night NFL Week 2 - St Louis/NY Giants

    The line is currently NY Giants -7 (-115) O/U 44.

    I've seen the line at low as -4.5 and now it's 7 at -115 odds. Steven Jackson is questionable for the Rams, Amendola out. Hakeem Nicks is questionable. Both teams are banged up on defense.
    The Giants certainly have other weapons besides Nicks but it would be quite a blow to the offense if he were ruled out. Nicks didn't practice on Thursday and was limited in practices Friday and Saturday. On Monday, Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo said the team will put Jackson through a workout just prior to the Monday Night Football contest in order to determine if he can play in the game.
    The Rams have Cadillac Williams, who filled in nicely for Jackson last week against a better defense gaining 91 yds on 19 carries (4.8 ypc avg) and 5 catches on 9 targets for 49 yds. Greg Salas may fill in for Amendola as the slot guy, but I've also seen it speculated that Sims-Walker might fill that role. I really think the Rams can get by without Jackson and Amendola better than the Giants can without Nicks. The Giant secondary is suspect due to injury. Rex Grossman lit them up for over 300 yds last week completing 21 of 34 for 2 TD's and no INT's.
    I don't quite understand the line movement. I know Bradford hurt a finger on his throwing hand but I haven't heard that it would affect him much. He did practice fully the last couple days. New York hasn't looked very good through the preseason and first game....Eli Manning especially. I think the Rams can hang within a TD. This is a much easier match-up than Philadelphia last week where Vick burned them for almost 100 yds on the ground. They definitely won't have to worry about that aspect with Manning at QB.
    Hopefully even if Hakeem Nicks plays he will be limited in what he can do, and I have a feeling Steven Jackson will play as he is a gamer and has played hurt quite a bit in his career.

    So with the Giants hurting in the secondary and Eli not real sharp recently....and with everyone in the world all over the Giants....I'm going with the....
    St Louis Rams +7 (-105) and maybe a 7 pt teaser St Louis +14/OV 37 at -130 odds.

    On a side note, Ram head coach Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants' defensive coordinator 2007-2008 .

    Some trends,
    NY Giants are 4-10 ATS as a home favorite since 2009
    NY Giants are 22-17 ATS their last 39 games vs. NFC West (not surprising considering the quality of the NFC West lately)
    St Louis is 0-5 ATS the last 5 games against the Giants (haven't played at New York since 2005)
    St Louis is 7-18 ATS the last 25 games as a road underdog of between 3.5 -7 points

  • #2
    I was going to post and see what you guys thought too. I think I would take the +7 as well.

    Here is what I have going and may hedge a bit to maybe hit a middle? I don't think the Rams can win SU, but it may be closer than expected.

    I have the Giants +8 to finish up a large teaser to win 1 unit on a 1/2 unit teaser.
    I also have them SU (-270) on the 2nd half of a ML parlay--juts have to win Su to win one unit.

    I guess a ML STL play would be a choice too? Get greedy, hope to middle, and hedge, or stick to my guns as the Giants winning at home after starting 0-1.

    Small chance STL will win SU on the road I think but if I were to play it normal, I would definitely take the +7 with the Rams tonight.

    So I have a good middle if the game stays close...Or should I just stick to my original bets, and hope that NY wins SU and cash my tickets?

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    • #3
      Not sure I'd be brave enough for a Ram ML bet, although I certainly think it could happen. If I had the Giants SU I'd be tempted to take the Rams +7 as, not only am I greedy, but there's a lot of room there for a middle. Plus, I just don't trust Manning and the Giants 'D' to cover a TD yet. Having said that, they'll probably win by 17.

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      • #4
        I will probably just roll with what I have as I do not trust the Rams enough to even try to middle it. IF the Giants were 1-0 and did not look so horribly bad last time out.

        % say that the G-Men can win SU and should, but I remeber a situation like thi slast year where they came out and lost SU when I needed them in a simliar spot, just to win as sizeable favs!

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        • #5
          I agree I like the +7 should be a close game and NY wins by 3 or 4
          good luck

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          • #6
            as a Giants fan this is a hard game to call.
            I like the Giants to win straight up. Yes, Spags was the defense coach when we went to the big game but hasn't been around since then and there have been changes.
            If Tuck plays tonight the rams run game will suffer hard. He'll be one to watch.
            The rams have good receivers not only in Sims-walker but also in Brandon Gibson.
            Giants have had all week to look at what philly did to them last week and that'll help.
            the Rams have had all week to see what the redskins did right too.
            Osi is still out, beckum NY's tight end may be out.
            The double running backs of the giants, the pressure from tuck (if he plays) will prove too much for bradford and the ramsbut I think the receivers step up on both sides and so....

            If you can tease the giants pick to even and take over 37 I'd say you're in a good spot. Though the +14 is a good choice too but I like the pick and over tease.

            for non tease... ugh probably rams +7. Giants have a habit of letting teams back into the game especially if they get a good initial lead and any more injuries on giants defense and they're done.

            but take this with a grain of salt as I am a Giants fan and as such generally stay away from their games but this is my attempt at honesty.
            for fun... 27-24 giants

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            • #7
              Nicks active, Tuck active SJax not active. Cadillac is a good receiver like Jackson, so that's good. The Rams also have Jerious Norwood. Some good receivers as mentioned, MSW, Gibson, Greg Salas is supposed to be a great route runner with great hands but hasn't done much yet. Be nice to see Danario Alexander come in and have a Denarius Moore kind of game.

              OK....resteasy talked me into it. I really like the OV 37 so I'm going both ways...Rams +14/OV 37 and Giants -PK/OV 37, and also Rams +7
              Last edited by dragon1952; 09-19-2011, 07:14 PM.

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              • #8
                Eli looks like a lost puppy put there...pathetic. Bradford is the best QB by far.

                NY fans should be very scared this year! Thats fumble may help but if there offense does not wake up they are going to get beat.

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                • #9
                  Bizarre game. NY offense looks like shit and they're ahead by 2 TD's.

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                  • #10
                    as a giants fan this is familiar. they wouldn't be up 2 if not for the defense getting a lucky ball on an era. 2 things happen now.
                    a) the giants run away
                    b) the rams come back and make it closer than use giants fans like it.
                    spags will have some answers and I do think they score some. Giants tend to play it safe which kills them letting other teams come back.

                    they'll hit the over I believe especially if you teased.
                    good luck.

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                    • #11
                      or c) they each get a couple points and things go kind of stagnant.
                      Alright.
                      glad you could get 2 out of those 3 dragon.

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                      • #12
                        yeah...thanks for that I feel the Rams should have covered. They gave 14 free pts, on the punt fumble and on the backwards pass and still just lost by 12. You can't credit the Giants for that really. The Rams shot themselves in the foot. They couldn't catch the ball and they made stupid and costly mistakes. I felt NY could have been called on a couple pass interference penalties, but oh well.

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                        • #13
                          Giants fan here also and they are in trouble. Rams should have at least covered if not won. Eli not comfortable with receivers and now Hixon and Manningham come up lame! Unreal. Defense gave up a ton of yards and only their blitz package saved them.

                          We better hope Vick can't play next week, but Kafka will still have success with DeSean and Maclin against the Giants corners. Gonna be a long year for the Gints, but fortunately the schedule is fairly easy for 4-5 weeks after the Eagles.

                          I dread our upcoming games with New England, Green Bay, New Orleans and the Jets! Even Buffalo will run circles around us. Ugh!

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                          • #14
                            I agree rams should have covered. Our front d line isn't bad especially with Tuck back in there. Osi should be back in the next month and we may get prince mid season. That'll help but our secondary is just bad.

                            Eli isn't comfortable with the receivers because they keep changing. Losing steve smith hurt, injuries continue to pile up (who's our atheletic training coach/specialist?) and our defense is porous.
                            We were lucky but just as much they were too. Lucky the offense didn't click or they'd have been lit up further in a sloppy game.

                            We have 2 easier weeks after philly. we have cards and seahawks then bills looks like it'll be rough and a bye. There are maybe 2 other games shortly after not back to back that look ok (9'ers and miami) but the rest is brutal.

                            We'll see. See who comes back, see who other teams lose and of course it's only week 2. We all know weeks 3-5 teams start turning around or sinking lower. There's generally that odd week in there where everything is flipped. Hopefully giants end up on the right side.

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