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    "Mock Hilton/Westgate Rules"

    "Mock Hilton/Westgate Rules"

    This contest will be modeled as closely as possible after the "Las Vegas Hilton Super Contest"...........$50.00 entry fee.

    #1 NFL sides only. Contestants must select five teams per week, per entry. Contestants may not select both sides of the game.

    #2 We will use the official Hilton line which I will post by Wednesday evening.

    #3 The Posting deadline for the Sunday and Monday games is Saturday by 12:00 Midnight EST. Please read rule #7 for Wed, Thurs. and Sat. games.

    #4 All picks must be posted in one post. In the event you're unable to post your picks because of technical problems please email them to rockets101@aol.com

    #5 No corrections or editing of picks is allowed.......be careful, could result in a 0-5 for the week.

    #6 This contest will run for the regular season of 17 weeks @ 5 picks per week = 85 total picks. 1 point for a win and 1/2 point for a tie.

    #7 The Wednesday-Thursday-Saturday rule: If you're using a Wed, Thurs. and or Sat. game in your picks then all picks must be posted in one post at least one hour before the earliest NFL scheduled kick off time. See rule number 4.

    #8 Tie Breaker Rule: In the final two weeks of the Mock Hilton contest (weeks 16 & 17) the top 5 contenders must email their picks to bettorsworld@gmail.com Picks will be posted after the Saturday 12:00 o'clock deadline. If a tie still exists after week 17 we will take it into the NFL Playoffs.

    #9 Top five winners payout: 40%, 25%, 20%, 10%, 5%

    #10 Winners will be asked to verify payment before prize money is released.

    #11 Entries are unlimited at $50.00 per entry.

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    'm in, love the contest. To eliminate any confusion or controversy. Rule 5. From the past a late post = 0-5 correct? Are there any other circumstances that WILL result in 0-5 . Not could result but will result in 0-5. Please be specific if possible.

    Thanks . sending payment

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    Quote Originally Posted by winnersbyt&b View Post
    'm in, love the contest. To eliminate any confusion or controversy. Rule 5. From the past a late post = 0-5 correct? Are there any other circumstances that WILL result in 0-5 . Not could result but will result in 0-5. Please be specific if possible.

    Thanks . sending payment
    It's all spelled out in the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boys View Post
    It's all spelled out in the rules.
    There is nothing spelled out in the rules between the Words Will and Could- Hence Winnersbyt&B Origininal Question.

    It is pretty basic question in regards to rule 5-

    Will result in 0-5 or Could result in 0-5 what could be the difference?

    Please do not tell me to read the rules and dismiss the question as yesterday news.

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    Rule #5 has existed for five years. Now you are challenging it?

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    Not challenging Rule 5 I want to make it clear. Just give us one example where it will result in 0-5 not could result in 0-5. Not the posted late example we know that one. Is there another instance which will result in 0-5?

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    Just change the word "could" to "will" in rule 5. Wouldn't that settle things definitively?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Guesser View Post
    Just change the word "could" to "will" in rule 5. Wouldn't that settle things definitively?
    Yes In my Humble opinion

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    http://www.bettorsworld.com/web/foru...-and-PAID-LIST
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    Rules:

    Last season a few posted picks past the deadline. There will be NO exception this year. Please read the rules thoroughly. I repeat NO exceptions.

    DOES THIS RING A BELL ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpet View Post
    http://www.bettorsworld.com/web/foru...-and-PAID-LIST
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    09-04-2015, 11:16 AM
    Rules:

    Last season a few posted picks past the deadline. There will be NO exception this year. Please read the rules thoroughly. I repeat NO exceptions.

    DOES THIS RING A BELL ?

    What's your point? You are really starting to aggravate me. Jeff, Monroe Eaford and myself do all the work and you do all the complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boys View Post
    What's your point? You are really starting to aggravate me. Jeff, Monroe Eaford and myself do all the work and you do all the complaining.
    All I did was ask for clarity on a question. There is no complaining here.

    If you cannot provide a response to COULD vs WOULD just say so.

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    Using "could" gives some wiggle room. Maybe some newbie edits their post, but well before the deadline. You COULD cut him some slack.

    In fact, it would be great if we could edit our picks right up until the deadline! What's the harm? That way, you could put 5 picks in early and that would ensure you won't forget and miss out if you go on a bender on Saturday night.

    There's absolutely no harm in doing so, as it doesn't mess up the scorer or anything. At midnight, Saturday it locks.

    Right now the edit is set to like one minute. It can easily be changed.

    Okay, now let the flaming begin! :-)

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    If your post contains the same team twice and it gets fixed in a reasonable amount of time would that result in a 0-5?
    What if you post your picks and then change a few of your picks?

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    Both scenarios could be explained as mistakes and not result in a 0-5 for the week. Editing of posts should result in 0-5 regardless of the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bret3518 View Post
    Both scenarios could be explained as mistakes and not result in a 0-5 for the week. Editing of posts should result in 0-5 regardless of the reason.
    These two statements sound contradictory. First you say a mistake should not result in an 0-5 and then you say it should. Maybe the first statement was just a hypothetical?

    We only have one minute to edit, so there's not much you can do. And why would we need to penalize someone for editing their post? Unless it is edited after the deadline, which is next to impossible with the one minute edit limit.

    No one gains any advantage over anyone by editing their post, nor does it mess up the scorekeeper. Let's not be so anal. We are trying to grow the contest, not piss people off.

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    Yes i was saying hypothetically they could both be explained and not result in an 0-5 but they shouldnt. It should be pretty simple once the picks are submitted they are final regardless of the reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bret3518 View Post
    Yes i was saying hypothetically they could both be explained and not result in an 0-5 but they shouldnt. It should be pretty simple once the picks are submitted they are final regardless of the reasoning.
    Seems Pretty clear.

    Thank You for putting a light into a dark corner for all to see.

    I do not see Westgate using the word COULD when it comes to the rules of picking. This contest is to mirror as closely as possible the rules of Hilton/Westgate.

    Rules must be clear- Last thing I want to see again is late post being allowed- Or Editing a pick once you see the QB is out for the game- etc. Just make it pure and clear- WHAT YOU POST IT IS CONCRETE-MUST BE IN BY CUTOFF-NO EXCEPTIONS

    I think this is a rule we all could live with and grow this contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by widestrides View Post
    No one gains any advantage over anyone by editing their post, nor does it mess up the scorekeeper. Let's not be so anal. We are trying to grow the contest, not piss people off.
    Having rules that aren't clear cut would hurt the contest more. I don't think anyone would not enter the contest if the rule was "editing of picks will result in an 0-5. All posted picks are final."

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    Thank you, that was my only point. Changing the word COULD to WILL clears up any confusion. I fee l this will help and not hurt the contest when we all know the rule is clear. All picks are final, no editing or corrections allowed. Eliminates anyone changing pick because of a line move or injury etc. I was in another contest last year that said no changing of picks. But the commissioner said he had the final say. Well u know what happened. one week a guy wanted to change his Fla-Tenn pick 15 minutes before the game and the commish allowed it and he won. Guys were doing the same in pro games. Cost my team a place for the money at end of year. So all picks are final no changes works for me. And when asked if I was in this year I told my buds NO WAY

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    Interesting............so you guys waited 6 years to want this rule changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by winnersbyt&b View Post
    Thank you, that was my only point. Changing the word COULD to WILL clears up any confusion.
    I agree, should be "will," not "could," which leaves it up to a subjective decision by the commissioner later on.

    After I make my picks, I double check for clerical errors before I hit the submit button. Takes just a minute to double check them to avoid a mistake.

    I think we all know what would happen if one turned in their picks to Westgate and then started to walk away and asked for their entry back to make a change. Once the entry is in, it is in. No editing in their contest. Any editing in our contest should be an 0-5 week.

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    The edit feature is set to a minimum - it is only one minute. Just have Jeff turn that off for our weekly thread and no one can possibly get an 0-5 for editing of picks. Done. But maybe that would requre Jeff or The Boys to adjust that setting on each week's thread, and that might be a pain. Unless Jeff just turns off the one minute edit feature on the whole site for football season. Not a big deal, as there's not much you can do in one minute anyway. Most people take that long to figure out they made a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boys View Post
    Interesting............so you guys waited 6 years to want this rule changed?
    I find it interesting that you couldnt even explain the rule. Its not that big of a deal people asked for clarification and you decided to be a dick instead. That blew up the conversation more than the actual rule. Hell changing the rule from COULD to WILL makes your job easier and then you dont have to complain about doing all the work.

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