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  • #16
    I think the general consensus here, is that it's ok to play the game, the mistake, for an amount equal to your normal wager. At that point, the right thing to do is to notify the book of the mistake. There's a good chance at this point, the book would appreciate being notified, and would allow you to keep the wager, or compensate you in some way.

    If on the other hand, you emptied your account on the mistake, well.......

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    • #17
      thedevil, I agree with your solution. Most of my players would tell me upfront. I would let them have it anyway, in most cases, then correct the error. Not one ,ever, would even consider quitting with my money. It's just more bullets for them. BUT, if a player tried to flat out steal one from me I would pay him then he can no longer play with me. But even this is not 100% true. Some players spend their life looking to scam someone out of a double sawbuck. The harmless ones just need the $ to play with and cant wait to give(play) it back. Its a judgement call but you are right on. The crooks with no honor got to go. Scotty

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      • #18
        Well those of you who know me from e-mail,IM, or ICQ know that I wager on alot of games on a daily basis and therefore keep a hefty amount abroad and again I stress THE AMOUNTS I BET ON THESE GAMES WHERE NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR ME.I could of bet more ALOT MORE but did not.

        The devil- All I did was come on here and have the bal$$ to post what has been happening to me to get an opinion not to cry or whine. For you to attack me with CAPS call me a theif, a robber, and threaten me it is uncalled for I have a few choice words for you but I am not going to go to your level.( I guess you were in the bookmaking side of the bizz and were taken a few times or something and decided to take it out on me)
        The funniest thing you wrote "shame on you" yea I really feel bad for these sportsbooks and now and will lose sleep tonight because of your post.

        The only line I am complaining/whining about is the -200 / -280 line that bothered me.

        Jeff funny you should say that. I had a bad line yesterday and instead of making the bet I called the guy who canceled one of my last bets and said "Listen your line on Colorodo avs is pick-110(real line -1.5-50) that I feel is wrong but if you say no I will take $500 on Col". He thanked me and offered $25 bucks for letting him know the game was off.

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        • #19
          To "the devil"

          I've been reading your gibberish and what I think you are is not the "devil's advocate" but the "horses ass".

          Furthermore----- get some computer ettiquette
          you sanctimonious over-inflated idiot.

          Dot

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          • #20
            Comon, Krackman.

            Stop the craps.

            It doesn't matter you bet $10, $500, or even 10 dimes or whatever it could be your regular amount, an error is an error, a bad line is a bad line, it won't change anything for how much you want to take advantage of it.

            Actually, you are not the first and will not be the last to come here to cry about these kind of things.

            We've seen so many people like you came here to cry not long ago.

            Some people even cry for the books didn't allow them to keep the bets after they informed them for the errors or complaint about the NO BONUS for telling the books about the errors.

            That is just simply stupid and greed.

            Like I said before, if you don't like that $25 offer, don't call them to inform them the error.

            Then try to learn better how to take advantage of it and stop whinning after you got caught.

            About your -200/-280 PHO bet, whats the deal?

            You saw the line of -200 at their website and call them and you got -280 from the operator and then you got upset?

            a) If they are online book, why don't you bet it online then?

            b) OK, they are not online book. So that means you are actually NOT seeing the real time odds and you "thought" -200 is a good deal but when you called them and the operator quoted you -280 and that pissed you off? Comon!

            c) ONLY if the operator quoted you -200 FIRST and then after you mentioned your side and the amount of the bet and they changed to -280, THEN ITS A PROBLEM.

            Furthermore, I don't really believe anyone should "bet your regular amount on the bad line and then inform the book and hope them to let you keep the bet as a bonus".

            That is even worst than just betting on a bad line.

            Unless the books have clearly stated rules or policies on this issue, if you are using such practice, its just the same as kidnapping and then asking for a ransome.

            Which book out there will state clearly on "they will honor you a regular bet on the bad line if you will be the first to inform them"?

            So, either you play it and hope for the book don't know it.

            Or you just inform them BUT SHOULD NOT expect for anything for return.

            [This message has been edited by AYCE (edited 02-24-2000).]

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            • #21
              KRACKMAN!
              Sorry for what you deemed as a threat.
              It was simply my opinion and I stand by it. If you don't want to read any negative responses, don't post any questions that will generate them. The cheating and stealing remarks were not pointed only at you, but to the public in general that takes advantage of bad lines.

              DOT MIX!
              I've never been called an over inflated idiot before, horses ass many times. But when you call the "main office" in your town to complain about a renagade bookie or an agent who doesn't pay. Tell the guys in the "main office" that you didn't get paid because you bet into an off line. Tell me their response. Then tell me who's a horses ass.

              THE DEVIL

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              • #22
                Overall, it is the BM's job to make sure he has the right lines. It's his responsibility, not the players.

                Overall, I have one strong view on this:

                If I want to play a side, and I think the line might be wrong, I call them up. I tell them I want to make a bet, and that I think the line might be off.

                I ask them to check the line once more before I place my bet. If they then get back to me and say that they double-checked the line and it's good, I proceed to make my bet.

                If they try and cancel a SINGLE bet after going through this procedure, they should shut down or convert into a fast-food joint.

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                • #23
                  Amen Cons!!!!
                  It's up to you guys, the players to decide whether it's right or wrong to play it. It is still the BM's responsability to get the right lines up, and no BM can blame a player for playing ANY line that was open for play. There is too much money to be made in this business to allow linesmovers to be sloppy.

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                  • #24
                    Wow

                    More and more I'm convinced this site is no longer "BETTORSWORLD" but "BOOKIEWORLD".

                    When will you self-serving lecturers on moralist values dry up. AYCE says "its the same as kidnapping and holding ransom." C'mon----lets get real AYCE.

                    When will some of you guys get over being so self-important and stay out of the domain of
                    lectures on ethics and purity. I doubt very much that many of you have a reserved comfy chair next to St. Peter with your names on it!

                    Dot

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                    • #25
                      I don't think you can hold a BM to a typo.

                      On the flip side, some Bookmakers let the player out of an obvious mistake.

                      On occasion, WSEX has listed propositions with the under on top and the over on bottom.
                      A phone call has always worked with WSEX to get the play corrected.

                      In fact, one time I made a limit play on the over thinking I had the under which moved the line from -115,-115 to -125,-105. I called WSEX to get my play switched from the over to the under. Not only was the over cancelled, I got the under at -105! Now that is service.

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                      • #26
                        Get Real?

                        Get real - I don't/won't blame anyone who would want to bet a bad line or on a obvious error, I did that before and may even do it again in the future and I believe a lots of bettors out there are looking for those errors everyday.

                        Get real - But once you got caught, and you come in here to cry for it. It shows nothing but how stupid and naive as a bettor you are.

                        Get real - A bookie came in and told us that he will NEVER cancell a bet even if it will be an obvious human error, because he believe "its ALL the books responsibility". BUT STILL I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE IN THIS BUSINESS WILL HAVE THIS BOLD STATEMENT ANYWHERE IN THEIR RULES.

                        Get real - Once you find out a bad line, you know your bet will get cancelled if you bet on it (as it is a wrong thing BY THE RULES), but you still want to TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. So you "take a shot with your regular amount of bet size on it" and "ASK/EXPECT the books will honor it" when you inform them the error, what is this all about?

                        A thief robbed a bank but was chasing by the cops, he threw away his bag (with 1 million inside) and you picked it up, what will you do,

                        a) get it back to the police.
                        b) keep it and hope the police won't find out.
                        c) go to the police and tell them, "hey, here's the money BUT I want a share of $5,000 as a finder's fee, OK?"

                        Look, whether they will get you a bonus is another question, but if you want to turn it in, you must be prepared that it will be a unconditional one.

                        Otherwise, its just simply stupid + greed.

                        Whether you like to do it with (a) or (b), its up to you, I won't even say I will do (a), sometime it really depend on different situation.

                        ITS NOT JUST ABOUT ETHIC AND PURITY.

                        Its all about how to be SMART and don't be look like a stupid a-hole when you will get caught and cry for it!

                        You want to rob the books? Be my guest.

                        Just a little piece of advice, try to learn how to do it.

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                        • #27
                          Dotmix- I have to tell you when I read ayce's post I literally had to run to the bathroom to relieve myself ( "It's just like kidnapping and asking for ransom")my face is still hurting from laughing so hard.And then goes on to say "I don't blame anyone who bets on an obvious error I did it before and will do it again in the future" So then what you are saying is do this but don't come on here asking opinions?

                          Cons- Your post may be one of the best in this thread and I will take up your idea when this situation comes up again.

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                          • #28
                            Well,

                            Krackman, you dig a hole for yourself and you still want the show going on?

                            OK, read my posts again.

                            What I was referring to about "kidnapping and ransom" are those guys that "knowing that was a bad line and still bet them BUT then inform the books and asking the book to keep their bets or for a bonus."

                            Unless there will be books out there have rules CLEARLY stated that how much amount the BONUS will be? How much amount of the "bet" that they will allow you to bet on the bad line as a bonus for your "notify the book"? How will they decide whose the first one to inform them, e-mail/phone?

                            Otherwise, if you just say that they have "polices and normal pratices" on this issue and you should expect for some rewards for do this. IT WILL CREATE MORE COMPLAINS AND CONFLICTS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY WRITTEN DOWN.

                            This is not something we should encourage.

                            Whether you should inform them unconditionally or you just play it and hope they won't find out, its up to your personal judgements.

                            AND THIS IS NOT MY POINT.

                            My point is, when you want to play it and got caught, don't cry for it and looked like a stupid bettor.

                            You said you have years of betting experiences and you have so many different accounts on different books, so that means ITS NOT A HONESTLY MISTAKE THAT YOU PLAYED THOSE WRONG LINES. ITS AN ATTEMP TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE BAD LINES.

                            What should you call it?

                            According to their rules, those bets will DIFINITELY got void and you should know it before you play them. So basically you have no reasonings whatsoever behind you, why are you still crying for such stupid thing?

                            Suck it up, move on and try to learn to be smarter.

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                            • #29
                              I don't mind a book cancelling my wager on an obviously bad line(switching a favorite and dog) before the game goes off, as long as they allow me to cancel a mistake I've made. If they make me live with my mistake, they should have to live w/ their mistake.

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                              • #30
                                To "the devil"

                                My reference to "renegade bookmakers and agents" was under a completely different posted topic in this "Raves and Rants" forum. It had absolutely nothing to do with this thread---they were totally different circumstances, and in no remote way was it about playing into "bad lines". I wasn't talking about "bad lines". I was talking about "BAD GUYS". Like Ray Meyers for instance.

                                It's obvious there are probably more book makers patrolling this forum than players. In THAT post I was referring to some of the "stellar" sportsbooks here who should be seriously concerned with a guy like Ray Meyers for flat out stiffing BOOMER. I guess though---most of the books figure it's just another competitor out of business and more clients for them. Wrong though----because Ray Meyers will "pop-up" as someone else on another web-site. Furthermore ---thieves like him who get away with it just encourage other con-men to set up shop which will further affect legit businesses. Hell---they could never do that in the states without answering to someone. What I was pointing out is the industry wide hurt the Ray Meyers' out there put on the reputation of the industry. The legit off-shore books should have a collective concern. Guys like Meyers only give the government more fuel to flame their efforts to kill "off-shore". Now "Big Brother" can claim the need to not only protect the public from themselves, but also the theives and scamsters out there en masse. The legit off-shores should get together and make it known they won't tolerate such publicity to their industry.

                                Now ----getting back to "the devil". I apolgize "devil" for calling you an idiot. I don't know you well enough to be completely certain you are one. I'm sorry for saying that. Sure-----recklessly bad lines should be reported-----I agree, but for you to come into this forum shouting at someone who honestly relayed a certain scenario and taking the stance--"you got 8 outs blah blah blah" is totally irrellevant and out of line. Once again---- it's the contemptuous and bitter attitude many of the books seem to insist upon taking against anyone they constrew to be a "wise-guy". It's like no one in the world is permitted to be as sharp or sharper than the bookmaker. Its against the rules-----bookie rules.

                                When you screw up and get beat by putting out what you later determine to be a "bad line" be accountable yourselves. Don't go on a preachers pupit trying to lay a serious guilt trip on someone else for your carelessness and lack of paying attention to your own business.

                                Dot

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