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  1. #1
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    BASEBALL DIME LINE

    It seems that there is a chance that major books will abandon the dime line and go to the wide line.Did books take that bad of a beating last year and decide to act like a "cartel" and ban together to raise prices? I hope that books realize they can make money using the dime line,arent there any good bm's who know how to move their line.I for one,will not be into a wide line and know of 2 books that have no thoughts of switching.I would like to hear from books that post here and their feelings on this matter.If you cant make money,raise prices until you do.Whats next,-115 either way on football and baskets?

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    What's a wide line?

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    The combination of high limits and the dime line resulting in several books having a losing baseball season last year.

    Baseball season has always seemed more of a loss leader to keep customers for the lucrative football season.

    With this in mind I suggest the books who lost last year with the baseball dime line simply reduce their limits, thereby keeping all their smaller clients happy (and keep them sticking around until baseball season) while at the same time not losing money.

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    There are so many shops competeing for our post-ups that even if a few big shops got together and went to 15 or 20 cent line, I beleive there will always be BM's out there who will offer the 10 cent line. I can sympathise with a buisness though that bust their ass all summer only to lose or break even.

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    im in the states-and im not going to widen my gap,even though business is slow during baseball i feel its the best thing for my customers to get a honest dime line-but im in the states and i dont deal the volume that offshore does...

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    Skybook Guest
    I am in New York on vacation. Someone brought this to my attention. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF SWITCHING TO A 20 CENT LINE. WE WILL USE A 10 CENT LINE AS ALWAYS.

    Thanks Lance

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    We have been approached to band together with some other large limit books and switch to the 20cent line. I don't think it's going to happen and we have no intention of going to the wide line. But some books with high limits and wiseguys had a hard time last year, mostly the big books on the Don Best where every change is broadcast to the world.

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    Intheknow
    What book are you from?

    Thanks Lance

    Inquisitive
    Very well said and I agree with you 100%.
    Books have enough of an advantage already,and now there is talk of some moving to a 20 cent line. It cant work and anyone that does it is basically saying they are not booking baseball anymore. There are plenty of books out there like us that would never do this to our loyal clients. Like you said anyone that uses it just sends more clients to other books. To those who missed it SKYBOOK WILL USE A 10 CENT LINE ALWAYS IN BASEBALL.

    Thanks Lance

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    Thanks skybook.I already have an account with your store and hope your lines will be comparable to those you used during the end of baseball last season.Am looking forward to betting into those numbers this upcoming season.Since you seem to enjoy betting bases as well you know that a 20 cent line is "robbing without a gun" and im glad at least one screen store wont be gouging.Good luck.

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    AJAX50
    I will be there every pitch from opening day until the world series with the same 10 cent line and lines like you saw last season. I look foward to the season and your business.

    Thanks a lot Lance

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    Can someone explain why baseball has a dimeline when everything else is twenty cents or worse? And Skybook, if you love the dimeline so much why don't you put one up in hockey/baskets/football etc.

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    BigMoney Guest
    Bob, it's the number of likely wagers in a season. A football bettor might take 100 positions in a season, a baseball bettor might take 1000. The juice eats up most players in baseball before the season is over.

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    The bookmakers will never unite for any reason. Never! Scotty

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    Back in the early eighties a group of N.Y. books got together and tried to implement a 15c line after they got crushed the year before on bases. About 20 or so went to the 15c line while a few more only used a wide line(20c). The offices that stayed at 10c wound up writing all the business. The books that raised their prices went back to the dime line in order to keep their customers for the football season. The same thing will happen this summer.

    I saw games move 20-40c last year. Some moved 25c on DB in one jump. It's very tough for books to make any money when customers are laying 25 and taking 40.

    THE DEVIL

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    Thanks for the response Big Money, but I'm not sure I understand. College Basketball plays 5,000 games in a season to baseball's 2,430 and twenty cents rules there.

    Personally, I could see books going to a bigger line on their own. Carib did it and survived nicely...you might not get much action but if action means losing your shirt is that such a bad thing?

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    Bob,
    Some books already offer dime lines in football and basketball with their juice deal.

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    It doesn't count if you don't pay up.

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    BOB
    I find that some of the problems with this forum are people posting without understanding the topic or reading it correctly. Please reread the thread started here by ajax50. It says BASEBALL to go to a wide line. He then asks for some opinions about this from some of the books. I told him what he was looking for. SKYBOOK will not go to a wide line in BASEBALL. He didnt ask about any other sports.
    Then you choose to put words in my mouth. I never , ever said I love the dime line. I am a bookmaker. Why would I love a 10 cent line over a 20 cent line or worse for that matter.
    I hate the dime line. It is great for the bettors not the books. I simply said we will continue to use the dime line in response to his Topic. I have 2 strong reasons for this.
    We have clients that have been with us for years. I will not all of a sudden make changes on them and tell them even though I already have the advantage over you I am making it a bigger advantage. Lastly this can never work anyway as I have said. MAny books will not comply and they will get all the baseball wagers. The books that plan to move to a 20 cent line should save everyones time and say we are not booking baseball this year.
    Do you know how the dime line started anyway? IF you did this would make perfect sense. It was simply when a book decided to make his line a 10 cent line instead of the 20 cent line everyone else was using to get all the business.
    I hope this helps clear things up
    Lance



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    Doesn't Antigua have anti-trust laws to prevent this sort of collusion? Bill Clinton and the justice dep't would be all over these bookmakers if they did this sort of thing in the States. Anyway, I hear Actionsports is going to a nickle line for bases.

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    BigMoney Guest
    Why not a penny line? ; ))

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    Skybook Guest
    I always thought this forum and this site were mainly for the bettors. Hence the name bettorsworld. I dont know why a thread like this isnt scareing the hell out of all you people who bet baseball. Its your money.
    I am waiting for and Hoping other books will come in here and say that they will use and stay with the 10 cent line as well. If not I dont know if Skybook can handle writing every single baseball bet. We might have to hire 200 more clerks.
    ( Seriously though)I think all you bettors should be voicing an opinion a lot stronger and the books that feel as we do should let your voice be heard.
    There are so many reasons this can never work that i am hoping maybe everyone knows this and that is why they arent taking this very seriously.

    Please express more opinions Lance

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    I really don't know what all the fuss
    is. This situation seems simple, if a book
    goes to a 15-20 cent line, don't wager
    with them, go elsewhere. I agree with Lance, this would never work anyway. Any book that
    went to wide line would loose business to
    the ones that stayed at 10 cents. Lance, I
    like the way SkyBook stepped up, and took
    a position immediately. I think I will open
    an account with you in the next few weeks,
    to compliment my other baseball accounts.
    Two thumbs up for SkyBook!


    SportsBank.

  23. #23
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    To all sportsbooks!!!
    There are lots of outs. Serious bettors will never play with a book that has a 20 cent line (unless the favorites price can be scalped)The loosers will as usual be the little guys. The same shmucks who took the Titans plus 6 1/2 or Rams minus 7 1/2....
    And I swear when football comes around I will stay with the books that have treated me the best during baseball! If you want our money you may actaully have to earn it instead of steal it!

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    Lance,
    I choose to not identify the book I'm with, just because I enjoy giving a BM's opinion without sounding like a commercial for my book. I've followed this forum since 1996 when it was just oddswiz, and have enjoyed it.
    One more thing on the dime line. Some books say they run the dime line, but it's actually a graduated line. When does it turn to 15 cents and then to 20. Some places that say it's a dime line will then give you -150 take back +135. That's not a true dime line. Ask your books about it.

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    I hear CRIS is going to a 20cent line-this is not right...We the bettors cant put up with this,its simply not right..We can only do business with companys that respect us enough by offering us what is right,which is a dime line.I hope the books on the screen dont collaborate with DONBEST to switch to the 20cent line..What will happen next i wonder?

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