Denied of winnings. Please help!

[Anton]

I think the main reason for why Sportfanatik will not pay out Lim's winnings is that it means they have to pay out the winnings to 700 other clients, which will probably be a lot of money.
I had combined the Cambuur match in several parlay bets at Sportfanatik. I was very lucky and many of the bets were winners. Because of the cancelled game I lost approx $50000 of my winnings. At least that's what I think happened. After phone calls and several e-mails I have still not got an answer from Sportfanatik to what has happened to my money. It was first when I read Lim's posting that I understood that the Cambuur match must be the reason.

My winnings alone must be a good reason for Sportfanatik not to pay.

A lot of people in the Internet betting community has supported Lim by e-mailing Sportfanatik. The following is a reply from Sportfanatik to one of those mails:


"Dear Sir,

Thank You for your respond about this issue......
We have already explained this customer about this issue...
There was a date ERROR in that particular game...and we called NO Action...
It is not fair for other customers....We do not let couple people taking advantage of this kind of Errors..
There were over 700 bets in that game and most of our customers did not lose money because we called No Action....
I guess.......you can never make happy both site.....

Regards www.sportfanatik.com"


I don't know if anybody from Sportfanatik reads this message bord, but if you do maybe you can explain what you mean by: "We do not let couple people taking advantage of this kind of Errors.."

How is it possible to take advantage of a game that closes 24 hours before the start????

The incredible paradox is that the only one that is taking advantage of this Error is Sportfanatik. Even though they knew before the match that it was posted with a wrong date, they wait until after the result to cancel it. It's what we call a win-win situation. Shame on you Sportfanatik. Shame Shame Shame

/Andreas

[Cusip]

I've been floating around here for a while, and now that this incident has come up, I'll share my slow pay experience with Sportfanatik.

After several "misunderstandings" in February, I finally received 2 dimes back from them after 6 weeks of phone and email tag. I will never post with them again.

I'm not just bashing, in fact I had a very positive experience w/Big Book, another starnet place. But from reading the above it seems they took a big hit on that game and had the easy excuse of the misprinted date to cover them if they lost.

Put them in the clink!

[AussieVamp2]

Cons,

Interesting, apart from some of the no-pay examples - some of the interesting stuff in the McGovern book concern some of the big guys dodgy practices there - is there actually bookmaker legislation then, seeing there are permits etc.?

Is it online anywwhere?

Thanks

AV

[Anton]

Dear Lim, please don't give up the fight against Sportfanatik. There are a lot of people supporting you in this matter. Just look what different site managers have written on their respective sites.

/Andreas


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Betstar will support and keep writing to Sportfanatik and spreading the words if Sportfanatik do not reply satisfactory of the claims.

/www.betstar.web.com/

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If what I have read is true, then I advise all punters to stay well clear of SportFanatik. They will continue to receive bad publicity on this forum until the matter is resolved amicably.

Tim Gudgeon
Managing Director
FootballNews

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There are so many online betting going on here and just one unjustified decision by the bookmaker management alot of people die. Is there any online "police" or law enforcer that can put a stop to all these unfair and unreasonable bookmaker?

I think if there were to be a complaint to the authority whereby the bookmaker was registered maybe their license will be review again , but i think now is to spread this message across the internet comunuity and let people know of this matter, SPO will be posting a short notice to people on its mailing list to inform of the 1000+++ supporters

you guys will get 100% support from SPO

/www.soccerpicks.net/

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Hello
I will mail them and try and found out what happened

/Manager www.gamblersdomain.com//

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[phaedrus]

The BigBook is not a starnet licensee.

[AYCE]

Now this is getting better and better.

$50,000 loss in winning because of this game?

Thats really interesting.

Excuse me, but I believe Cambuur is the Clippers in the Dutch league.

Even at 3.60 (which obviously Patrick's BM screwed up again, and I believe this is just one of the many, many times that you can find those screwed up soccer odds there, the last one is Newcastle at 2.50 to beat the Gunners, etc, etc.), I wonder how much did you bet on those "parlays" will cause you loss $50000 in your winnings?

BTW, UK2000, tell me the truth, how way off is the line compared with the other books on that Cambuur game?

1.70 vs 3.60?

Patrick, you are a complete idiot.

Stop offering soccer lines or you will have more troubles like this coming.

Or at least, find a smarter guy like Shawn to help you out.

[Anton]

AYCE,

I can't log in to my account to see the exact number, but I remember it was a substantial amount.

It doesn't matter what amount I put in, the interesting part is the lost 50000.

[Anton]

Saw this in another forum. Maybe I can get some of my money back.


"Apparently the bookmaker Sportfanatik has issued a contest with a first price of 1000 USD. For a couple of days the have been trying to cancel a soccer match in the dutch league. They have tried to use different arguments for cancelling but none of them have been well accepted by the audience. First they said the match was canceled because of a wrong playing date, but when this met resistance, they tried with "wrong pricing". When not even this very good argument was accepted by their clients, Sportfanatik came up with the idea of a contest: The one that can come up with the best argument to cancel the game will win 1000 USD. Send your suggestion to any of the following adresses.

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]"

[Phil]

I think Ayce finally hit the nail on the head. No doubt this line was off substantially. That is the key here. Not that it was closing a day early. Obviously Sportsfanatik realized this after the fact and are not paying because of it.

If we try to bet the Pacers tonight somewhere at +5.5 it won't be honoured so in all honesty you have to expect the same thing to happen with a bad soccer line. Having said that, it sure it sure does sound like Sportsfanatik was trying to have it's cake and eat it too. Telling our guy he would honour the bet (hoping all the action they took would lose of course) and then after the fact coming back with the bad date excuse.

Why not just come clean, say "WE F***ED UP BY PUTTING UP A BAD PRICE" and that's it. That is a legitimate reason for not paying. I know this won't make anybody who bet it feel any better but if you bet a bad line knowingly, you have to be prepared for the sportsbook not to pay you.

I'd also second Ayce's last remark. Maybe some better BM's are in order for the Starnet boys.

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[Dot Mix]

Anton

Are you talking 50,000 American or 50,000 Turkish lire?

Dot

[Anton]

PHIL,

Cambuur had only won 2 out of 16 matches at home. Considering this 3,60 doesn't sound too much.

[AYCE]

Thank you very much.

Exactly my point.

What makes you betting on a team (like the Clippers) with some decent amount of money in odds like 3.60 that you think is "reasonable"?

Make it no wrong, whether they pay you or not, its none of my business. Bottom line, they f###ed up, and this is NOT the 1st time.

I am just interested to know what makes you to unload on a game with a team like this and how way off was the odds?

Hell, I haven't met anyone (including some of biggest high rollers in soccer betting) who can win more than $5000 in a parlay.

Not to mention thats "$50000 loss of winning"...

Thats pretty scary, isn't it?

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[AussieVamp2]

Ray,

Cambuur aren't the Clippers - my end of season ratings had them 14th out of 18, just below average/medicore, along with 5 or 6 other teams in the same situation, so they were not horrendously bad at the time.....

[alec]

AYCE,
I believe Anton said that he included Cambuur in several parlays, not one.
As far as typos go, it was discussed many times here. I just want to say that I disagree with you.

[AussieVamp2]

although looking at my number on the game at the time, 3.60 definitely a nice price

and odds source I had did not have the game up, so a bit odd