ACTION SPORTS SAYS I'M GETTING ZERO!!!

[WhiteShoes]

am very sorry to hear about this situation,
and I hope Action sports can see their way
to paying boomer his winnings.
Since I really don't know, I can only guess
that Action Sports/Ray Meyers felt he should
be given a chance to win some of "his" money
back since you had won more than you deposited. This shouldn't be how it works
though, and as someone stated before, if they
hadn't balked at paying you before, you
wouldn't be wanting to take down your
entire balance. (and who could blame you for
wanting to after their stall)

I can't believe Action Sports is destitute.
More likely they wanted to see how much they
could jerk Boomers chain....since he had
won, and since they were holding the winnings.
The 5% vig is a great marketing tool....this
situation is the exact opposite.
Is $8000 worth receiving a bad reputation.
People become successful from what happens
over the long run. Pay the man and do everyone a favor.

[phaedrus]

Chest:

I think i understand how you could be confused, but i feel you are either neglecting to acknowledge, or discounting one vital piece of information; namely Ego.

I have dealt with bm's for a long time, offshore bookies for the past 5 years, and the common denominator amongst most, (not all) but most of them is that they have huge EGO's.

They all think that they are the "biggest" and the "best" book out there, just take a look at some of the characters who have strolled into this place in the last little while.

there was sky who got a glowing recommendation from a poker pro at the bellagio (who was in fact using the same computer that he was).

Sky was very willing to answer any and all questions for the confused bettors out there, even started a thread "skybook answers your questions"

there was polar who, all in all was a good guy, but did have a penchant for stretching the truth (although he was making lines at some ridiculous age like 7 or 8). Don't forget he also formed and moulded Don Best into the fine company that it is today (in his estimation) - and yet Don Best was also responsible for the demise of the "real bookie" (once again in his estimation). Polar is without a doubt one of the real bookies out there (or at least he thinks that he is)

You have CRIS "where the line originates" (pardon me but hasn't olympic been making most of the opening lines nowadays)?

Same thing with the "king" of the half time lines.

Matter of fact just tonight a pretty big "pis*ing match occured tonight between Caribi and Olympic with the overnight laclipper / minnesota total opening at 190 at olympic.

While the line was still on or around 190 at a few book Caribi opened at 194 only to get hammered down to 190 within minutes (can you say opinion)?

I could go on and on but you get the picture.

I think we are dealing with the ultimate ego here in mr. myers. He would like us to beleive that this incident is a conspiracy brought apon by those leary of his "5cent juice".

In reality he really feels that b/c he is holding the money/he is calling the shots and can pay when he wants too, and i guess he can - but -we'll see how well that gamble pays off. -

just like we'll see what number the clipps/twolves game lands on tommorow.

ps. if was running an offshore sportsbook, you would rarely/never catch me spouting off in here, there is so little to gain. You are bound to say something that would offend someone or something.

IMO, you are better off dealing with your customers in a professional manner and let them "rant and rave about your book", it just seems more professional to me, but then again i tend to have a bit of an ego.


[This message has been edited by phaedrus (edited 02-24-2000).]

[brett wildcat]

boomer-you got screwed-im real sorry to hear about it-i would love to hear the tapes on what action sports had to say-action has lost a ton of money by not paying boomer---brett wildcat

[sportsbank]

Sorry to hear those thieving liars at Action
are being such a**h*les. This gutless coward
Ron Meyers(hide behind a fake name) will get
his. Like Jeff said, what goes around, comes
around. You showed who was telling the truth
by displaying the account record. I will
tell everyone I know who wagers, to stay
away from this crooked book.

[chestrockwells]

Mr. Meyers, I have absolutely no idea how you could be construing my previous post as being supportive of you. I simply stated that there were aspects of all this that didn't make sense to me personally. Even if I knew less than nothing about all this I would certainly take Jeff's word over yours.

Phadreus, I'm beginning to really see your point!

[Jeff]

Ray, no need to call you. Let me shed a little more light on this subject.....

Boomer didn't just stumble his way onto this site two days ago and decide to bash Action Sports.

Over the last year and a half, I've become good friends with Boomer. Talk to him a few times a week, as I do with several other players. In this case, I've been following along since the very beginning. I have heard several conversations that Boomer has had with you and your employees, LIVE on the other end of the phone! Or was I hearing things?

I'm not sure why I continue to let you post on this site and make an a s s h o l e out of yourself. Maybe it's for entertainment, I'm not sure.

As for Boomer, he plays at tons of different books, many of the best books in the biz, many of who would extend credit to the guy if he so desired.

Boomer is a stand-up guy. Ray is not. That's really what this all come down to.

I'm very confident that those reading this that have been around for a while, will take what I have to say very seriously.

Those of you who haven't been around, or feel some need to believe that Boomer isn't owed money, and the tapes were doctored, and the screen shots were doctored, and my ears were doctored, and his own employees posts were doctored, so be it.....Post up with Ray, and get your selections from Stu Feiner, because you'll never learn.

[sportsbank]

Jeff,

I couldn't have said it bettr myself. If
anyone continues to post up at Action after this, they should not only get thier selections from Stu Feiner, but also Jack
Price! He's another stand up guy, just like
Ray Meyers. LOL.

Good luck Boomer, keep breaking the bank.

[DeacDoug]

Ray, you should pay the man. Although I am not a huge bettor myself, eight grand seems like a paltry sum to me for a book that is accepting multiple dime bets. The 5% juice is an excellent marketing tool, but Action has to realize that the piper needs to get paid on demand if the bettor happens to win - an event I believe Action desparately seeks to avoid.

[ageecee]

If all other people that play at Action Sports get paid why cant Ray make his payment to Boomer. My guess is because Boomer busted Ray's b a l l s and now he is out to fight him for the money-string him along i guess u can say.

Ray-If your smart u pay the guy and then it is done. Admit u fuxck ed up with Boomer and then let everything get back to normal.

[Boomer]

ageecee,

I don't have the time nor the inclination to "bust someone's balls." I work very closely with alot of books and consider most of them my friends.

What I did to Ray Meyers when he wouldn't pay me is threaten to go public and I did. That is what set him off, not any bad attitude on my part. I would never antagonize someone who had my money. By the time I had to go "public" I had no other choice as he wouldn't pay me.

Let me say it again, regardless of how Ray Meyers twists things, he welched and everyone knows it and I have the taped conversation and photos of my account to prove it.

I don't "bust balls"...I'm a businessman. I just want to get paid. I don't screw anyone and I don't want to get screwed, period.

[ray meyers]

It's hard to believe what I read in these posts but nobody has the sense to realize that ASW has been in business for 3 full years and has over 4000 clients. If ASW has a practice of not paying its clients then why is it that boomer is the only one to post in here about that. I guess I have a bug up my butt about boomer but I WILL PAY BOOMER IN FULL if he admits he has been unfair to my company with his premature posting regarding the payout. BOOMER e-mail me at [email protected]

[ray meyers]

Asw has been open 3 full years and boasts over 4000 clients. If ASW makes it a practice to not pay-out their clients then why is it that BOOMER is the first person to post it ? As for Boomer if he wants to get PAID IN FULL then he has to admit that he was being deceitful and premature about his posts 2 weeks ago about ASW not paying him out. BOOMER you can E-MAIL me at [email protected] HAPPY MADNESS !!!

[KnowItAll]

Ray,

I hate to kick you while you are down, but you said in your earlier post that Boomer has already been paid. Now you say he must admit to some kind of wrongdoing before you will pay him. Which is it - have you paid him or not.

If you need some kind of guidance in this matter let me give you this example. Imagine going into the sportsbook at the Mirage in Las Vegas. You make a wager on a football game. When you are done, you turn to a group of friends and say "This place sucks, they will never pay this wager if it wins", and you leave. Then wager wins, so you go back to the Mirage to collect your money, and they tell you the are not going to pay you because of comments you made to your friends. How fast do you think the gaming control board would come down on them? You have a winning ticket in your hand and they won't pay you. They may tell you never to return to the Mirage, but they would have to pay you.

Maybe you should look at public opinion. All of us on this board have heard your side of the story and Boomer’s side of the story. We all say the same thing: BE A MAN AND PAY YOUR DEBTS.

[sportsbank]

Ray or whatever your name is this day, you
sound like child."I don't like the bad things Boomer said about me, so until he takes it back I'm not going to pay. Grow up,
be a MAN, and pay Boomer what's owed to him. You could learn a thing or two about customer service from books like CRIS, and Premiere. As for the 4000 clients, I feel sorry for them, playing with such a
crooked book.

[Dot Mix]

This whole scene goes down to a much more basic level than what this Boomer / Ray Meyers thing has unfortunately developed into.

Why the hell wasn't Boomer paid his money on demand long ago without getting his chain yanked. If a book is entrusted with, and has in their posession a clients money in a combo of postup, winnings, and earned bonuses that money and disposition of such belongs to the CLIENT upon demand. No one should have to beg, kiss ass or humbly approach any bookmaker who is holding his own money whenever he wishes to cash out either part or all which rightfully belongs to him. It should be "send MY money (amount) via ------ to ----------!"

Ego's, control freak, personal vendetta etc etc etc. To me it's plain and simply inexcuseable. When I walk into my bank and hand the teller a withdrawell slip I expect to walk out with my money. Period. This should be no different. Any other means of explaining this away is bogus.

Is the money BOOMERS?--- answer YES!

Is he entitled to HIS money upon request----answer YES !

Pretty simple---YES!

It's a damn shame BOOMER you have to go through this.

Meyers-----I suggest you send Boomer his money RIGHT NOW via the fastest method known to man, and just hope these threads disappear as quickly as possible for your sake. The less you say and longer you protract this stupidity the worse it makes you and your Action Sports look.

Dot