I got scammed By Action Sports

[intheknow]

sportsbettor,
If you have made up your mind from this post, then Mr. Mike Owen has done his job. Don't be to quick to judge a book by some type of internal strife. NASA split up badly. Millenimum was opened by the ex General Manager of ABC with ABC's customer list, Margarita Int. just had a partner split. These books have continued to provide good service to their customers in this. Just because some books won't air their dirty laundry in this forum, don't be to quick to believe anything.

[Jason Johnson]

Maximum Value sorry for the delay in answering the post. As per your question which was what kind of deposit is required for the pager. To receive the pager the minimum deposit $500. But we also have lots of other sign specials right like free half points as well as 5% kickback of net losses at the end of the NFL season. But give us a call and any of our customer service reps will be more than happy to go into detail and explain any and all our sign up specials for this month.

Regards


Jason

[Jason Johnson]

Maximum Value sorry for the delay in answering the post. As per your question which was what kind of deposit is required for the pager. To receive the pager the minimum deposit $500. But we also have lots of other sign specials right like free half points as well as 5% kickback of net losses at the end of the NFL season. But give us a call and any of our customer service reps will be more than happy to go into detail and explain any and all our sign up specials for this month.

Regards


Jason

[Wizard of Odds]

This is being written in response to Polar's post regarding 5% Juice. It is unfortunate that you don't take advantage of this type of perk. The Wizard of Odds Sportsbook is a "Rock Solid" book (look to the left) and we offer 5% juice every friday night for weekend football games and we also offer several other perks.

Please let me offer you some reasons why. One is that perks are marketing tools and creative marketing is key in helping a business to grow. Two is that if a gambler is willing to send us his money then it is one way for us to say thank you and that we appreciate his business-new customers and existing. Three it is a way of alleviating some of the congestion during crunch times on the weekend. Four, it brings extra business on friday nights. Five, there is alot of competition out there and to be successful a book needs to be flexible, offer something different or extra and have nothing short of excellent customer service. Most importantly they better PAY.

I have read hundreds of posts on this site and other sites from gamblers inquiring about which books offer what incentives.
If perks make customers happy, are a drawing card for more customers and it adds to the bottom line then it is a very good business decision.

When you say "This is only a gamble by books that are having problems getting players", I disagree. We have no problem getting customers and our perks work for us. This is not written in defence-just offering an explanation. Hope this changes your perspective.
Jennifer, Customer Service
Wizard of Odds Sportsbook
1-888-259-9999

[intheknow]

If 5% works for you that's great, but to many books are offering unreal incentives to attract players to maintain a float of operating capital. Your reasons for the 5% are all valid. The question is by cutting your profit margin in half on the juice, do you have to cut back on other services to achieve the same profitability? Cutting back on clerk wages, phone lines, covering fees to send or receive. If your book maintains these staples and is content with the smaller hold on volume, then your's is a special book and I wish you luck.

[ray]

My apology to Check One,

obviously he is right.

Guys, don't let it stop here, this one could be one of the greatest thread ever in this forum.

[sportsbettor]

5% juice, 5% of net wins, 10% bonus??? This sports book must be so desperate to sign up customers they want to give away anything. I don't see any of the real books offering anything like this. As far as licensing and banking, In any jurisdiction that licenses books the money has to be kept in a bank in the same country or a bond must be posted, unless you are talking about some 3rd world government whose licence is worth just a little more than Charmin for use to wipe your butt. Why is it that the only good posts about this place comes from the people who work there? I wouldn't risk 2 cents with these clowns. If the owner can screw his own partner, I don't think he would have much regard for a regular customer. I seem to remember a post about a year and a half ago about a guy who ran his account up to 30 thousand and they gave hime some kind of BS about making a maximum payout of $5000 every 7 days, some guy named Eddie something. I guess if you are a small player and looking for every possible giveaway this is the place for you so at least if you get screwed you don't lose too much. As far as I am concerned I will stick with the real Licensed sports books that I constantly read good posts about in Bettorsworld forum. I trust what I hear from real customers posts, not what employees of a shady book want you to believe.

Ken

[Junior44]

Sportsbettor,

I agree with you completely. Why take the chance? To me, there is only one factor that is important to me in choosing or recommending a sports book. This factor is derived from a combination of all the things that we look for in a sportsbook: Betting options, bonuses, specials, quick pay-outs, good cust. service, high maxes, low mins, ability to fairly solve disputes, online software, accessability, credibility, low vig, or whatever your heart desires. This factor is one that is not easily achieved in this business and certainly cannot be attained by a shortcut or a roundabout method. The factor I am talking about is respect. There are many ways for a book to achieve respectability, but it must be earned. A respectable sportsbook is one that, over a period of time, has gained the trust of its players, made good on their promises, and most importantly puts the customer number one. This is not to say that shops just starting out should not be considered. You have to start somewhere, and if offering bonuses, 5% juice, what-have-you, generates new business for a book looking to achieve a degree of credibility and respectability, than more power to them. We must remember that this is a very competitive industry. Many players have played with the same books for a number of years and are sufficiently satisified. However, there may be other alternatives out there that cater more to that particular players needs than the status quo book. Someone above, I believe a respresentative of Wizard of Odds, mentioned the reasons that their particular book offers the discounts and perks that it does. Marketing is very critical in this business, and if they feel like taking a hit on the bottom line, in order to gain new customers, there's nothing wrong with that. What they do, and how they treat their customers AFTER they post up is what's important and is key to achieveing the respectability that all books strive to attain. My advice to anybody that is looking into posting up at a relatively young shop is to research as much as possible, post-up small, and pay accurate and precise detail to every method of their operation. If said book is indeed interested in being a player for the long haul, it will show. The concept that the customer is numero uno cannot be underestimated. Remember, all the books that you now see on the left of your screen, at one point in time, signed up their FIRST customer. Though time, they achieved the credibility and respectability that they now possess.

[Boomer]

Now that we know what Ray Meyers is all about let's reread this as we now know who the criminal is.

[chance_of_rain]

Boomer, I totally support your effort to get your money back, it is obvious Ray Meyers and Action Sports are ripping you off. And now to read that this has been going on with other bettors, since October!

But Boomer, everytime I read these posts, I ask myself the same question...Why did Boomer post up with Action Sports? You've been a Bettorsworld member since February/99, and you're obviously a big stakes sports bettor. You must have known about the problems other bettors were having in October, as posted in this forum. Why did you post up with them in Jan/2000? Why not just go with any combination of the 20 or so listed to the left? Why not steer clear of any potential problems?

I don't think this is a case of 20-20 hindsight. I'm small time compared to you (who isn't), but even before your posts I knew there were books out there like Action Sports, I started with Intertops, and moved on to Carib and Olympic based on what I've read in Bettorsworld.

So why risk it? Good Luck Boomer.

[Boomer]

In a word, greed.

In another word, stupidity.

I did read that Action Sports was around for awhile and I couldn't believe they were in business that long, screwing people on a regular basis.

I wouldn't have gone in there except for the lure of the -105 juice. I also went into Top of the World, with no problems, and Wizard of Odds with no problems. I received prompt payouts from both of them.

This guy Ray "Jimmy" Meyers just looks for any excuse to screw someone. I've spoken to alot of people who know him.

I may have rubbed him the wrong way with my posts on Bettorsworld. If I did then tell me to go screw myself and you don't want my business, but don't steal my money laughingly in front of the whole world, because, I promise you, it will come back to haunt you.

I'm not the only one suffering here. All the honest sportsbooks that are losing business because "John Q. Public" sees a story like this, they are losing too, because he's afraid to post up his money.

The U.S. Government also love Ray Meyers as he adds to their argument that internet gaming should be halted entirely. Good job Ray Meyers, you really showed me.

[Junior44]

It is also quite intertesting that Wizard of Odds, soon after advertising their "perks" right here in this thread, mysteriously vanished from the list on the left. Every book I've ever posted up with.....I've followed the exact same procedure. I first post up the minimum amount possible and procede to make minimum wagers. After a period of monitoring their operation and, if I'm lucky enough to win, I call their office, speak with them personally, and request a payout. If they pass all tests, then I post up with them my desired amount. How a book treats a "small-time" bettor AFTER he posts up (which should be the same treatment received by a heavy hitter), tells me what I need to know...

[BigMoney]

junior, this sounds like a very good test of a sportsbook.

In the case of Wiz of Odds, I think they recently changed locations. It seems that whatever prompted their move caused them to be out of touch with Bettorsworld for a period of time. Anyway, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now, especially considering where they were previously located.

[Jeff]

Big Money: (and others)

I'll simply say that in order to use this site to your advantage, you need to take into consideration ALL areas of the site. The answers to many of your questions may not be posted or written anywhere for several reasons. Several good reasons. But the answers are there.

Read "the list". Memorize the list. Print it out.

If a book was on there, and no longer is, we are telling you that common sense says stay away.

That's really all I can say about the list. If books were on the list, and no longer are, yet you didn't read about it in here or elswhere on the site, you'll have to assume that we simply can't discuss the particular book.

[slots]

I work in Vegas, and looking at these types of discounts from ASW I really have a hard time thinking that's a healthy way to run a book. Not talking about just on Fridays, but everyday and 5% off end of season football. Wow. I know margins on net and phones are better than my 2-3% in book on strip in vegas but jeeze. Well if it works for you, good luck.
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