Opinions on a dispute

[Hamhog]

I have a dispute with a bookmaker and am looking for opinions, especially from bookmakers.

New account set up in December.
The bookmaker thinks he told me I have a nickel limit.
I have no recollection of the limit.

For two months the account has been mostly inactive, but when active played very small.

Over the weekend I made three dime plays into the bookmakers software system. The system allows a nickel a hit, but lets multiple hits on the same game.

All three games win.

The bookmaker only wants to pay 3 nickels, claiming I knew my limits and that if I had lost, the plays would revert to nickels as well.

My position is that if you take the bet you pay the bet.

What do you think?

[Skybook]

HAMHOG
You ask for opinions from boomakers so i will give one. I hope this is all right with (PHAEDRUS,DEVIL ,INTHEKNOW) They are the experts and how what we should all post. I will try to simply asnwer your question with the opinion you asked for. I hope it is all right with those 3.
My answer is I agree with you.
I guess the thing to to and the only real answer that can be givin here has to come for INTHEKNOW. He is the one who always offers all his expert advice as a bookmaker to us all. Then again though since he wont ever tell us what book he works for I guess that wouldnt help you now would it. After all It could be his book your talking about . How would we know? So I guess it really only helps to give an opinion as a bookmaker when you are willing to tell us and be proud of what book you work for.
Again I agree with you.
Good luck Lance

[Hamhog]

Lance,

Thanks for your opinion.
Having a name and book associated with the opinion is preferred, but any BM's opinion is solicited.

Best Regards,


Hamhog

[Cons]

If the software accepts it then the bet should stand. Don't accept excuses. If the joint you're with took the bet and is now trying to cancel it (or cut it down), then take your money and leave. I have never come across such a low level of service in my life, and all I can recommend is that you pack your bags and walk off.

After all, if a book is being run in such fashion then how can you even trust them with your money...

[This message has been edited by Cons (edited 03-01-2000).]

[Alexander]

Hamhog,

I wouldn't trust that book. They should at least have a built in protection system in their on-line wagering that would prevent a bettor from exceeding their limits. And unless they clearly state in their rules and regulations that any bets that exceed daily limits will be refunded, then you should get paid. I've never really understood those daily limits because they are so easy to circumvent. A player could simply open up two, three, four different accounts (under different names) at the same book which would allow him to exceed those limits. It's just more of a pain for the bettor, but I don't think there is anything unethical about it. Unless the sportsbooks are more specific with their rules and regulations, we the bettors are stuck with whatever they decide, and if we don't like it, then I guess our only means of protest is to pull our money out, and this isn't in our best interests.

I really wish I knew which book INTHEKNOW works for, because over there, a bet is a bet. And I would bet that if any sportsbook out there ever made this a policy, that they would be the most respected and most profitable sportsbook. They could hire more people to make sure that their lines were accurate, and even if they never made a mistake in their lifetime, bettors would flock there because they could go to sleep knowing that their bets would never be cancelled.

A bet is a bet. Sportsbooks can take a little longer to put up their lines to ensure accuracy, have all large wagers approved by a supervisor first, and employ any other safety measures they deem necessary. I would gladly take all these little inconvenciences as long as I know that my bet would always be a bet.

[ShiftySheik]

If you are not paid you should expose the book in this forum. They belong in the clink.

[Boomer]

This happened to me at a Unified Gaming site a long time ago. Their software doesn't allow maximums i.e. you can wager everything in your account.

One book voided part of a bet the same as happened to you and said the limits are posted on the site and he was right, they were. I was really angry but as I thought it over he was right. I didn't have a leg to stand on because he did post the limits on the site.

It was an expensive lesson but one I never forgot. I always check the maximums at every book I play with, on the sport I want to bet on, and I never violated them again.

The truth is had you called and asked for more than the maximum as I do quite often, he might have given it to you without a hassle.

Maximums are there to protect the books. As a player you have to respect them. So the question arises, are they published on the site.

In the future know it is the player's responsibility to know the maximums of any book you play with.

[intheknow]

Lance, give it a rest!!! Please!! I know who Hamhog is, he has played with me for over 3 years ever since we were on Margarita before you were. He can give me a call and I'll try to help him in any way I can. He should be paid. If I know Hamhog, it was probably NASCAR that he bet.

[WhiteShoes]

some books have posted limits and then say
that one can make multiple bets, each up
to the maximum. Posting a max bet limit
on your site, then taking multiple max
bets online, and then saying only 1 max
bet was available isn't too clear. The
rulebook should explain max bets and
multiples of max bets, or the online
software should handle it automatically
by either allowing or blocking multiple
bets. It shouldn't be too hard to find
out from a book, as long as you can talk
to a manager or get it in writing.

[Skybook]

INTHEKNOW
Now that I know what book you are from I am a little scared to find out who you are. If you are who i think you are I will deal with you when i see you and you should really have known better. Also it wont be that hard to figure out who you are or have someone give you up.

[intheknow]

Hamhog,
I just talked to the owner of the book in question, he was out of town and didn't know about the problem. He assured me you will get paid and called his office on a three-way while I was talking to him. He said the problem was your agent not his book and you will get paid.
Take care

[ShiftySheik]

Hamhog, Were the maximum limits posted on the site?

[mls]

Intheknow - I must commend you for intervening and helping out Hamhog.

I know that Lance (skybook) similiarly tried to call Action Sports to help Boomer.

I don't know what your and Lance's pesonal beef is but you are both to be commended for helping (or at least trying) to keep this business clean. You two have some excellent character traits in common.

Again, thank you from whole internet betting community in helping Hamhog.

[intheknow]

MLS,
Thanks,
It was my pleasure to do whatever I could and I called Lance tonight and we hashed things out, it was just a case of mistaken indenity. He thought I was someone else. You can read his post about our chat in the thread about the wide line. If I can help any other players with problems, post them here. I know a lot of people in the business as does Lance. Many times the owners don't know about single player disputes and clear them up when it's brought to their attention, because they get the big picture and that is reputation is everything in this business.

[BigMoney]

Cool.