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    http://www.observer-reporter.com/EDITORIAL/b.html

    1/16/01

    The Pentagon is in the gambling business
    We were not aware until we read a story in Sunday's paper that the U.S. military maintains gambling facilities for its personnel overseas. The four branches of the armed forces operate about 8,000 slot machines that take in some $1.2 billion a year.

    Profits from the machines, according to the Pentagon, go toward "morale, welfare and recreation" activities for the troops. Besides, it says, even though some compulsive gamblers are ruined by the slots, they are "just another recreation program, no different than saying, 'I'm going to spend $20 and go see a movie.'"

    These are interesting points as well as an interesting comparison. They are similar to arguments made for state lotteries, including the one in Pennsylvania that "benefits senior citizens."

    But long before the states and the Defense Department got into the gambling business, the Mafia made the point that it was simply offering a recreational activity that people wanted. The government, of course, vigilantly went to war against illegal gambling, giving as one of its reasons the need to protect people who might gamble beyond their means.

    Someone could lose his paycheck in a poker machine at a corner bar, so such machines are outlawed. But an Air Force enlistee who did the same thing on a military base ended up being court-martialed and jailed for writing bad checks.

    Thus, we have a "do as we say, not as we do" situation, where the government prosecutes gambling operators with one hand, and takes in gambling profits with the other.



  • #2
    Jeff I never heard of the paper. What is it?

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    • #3
      Just a local paper in PA I guess........

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      • #4
        jeff, what's the point? couple of ?
        #1 do you believe this story.
        #2 what's their source?
        #3 does this paper? really have any social value

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        • #5
          What's the point? I think the last sentence pretty much sums up the point.

          "the point"......Government on all levels profits from gambling, but Jay Cohen faces jail.

          [This message has been edited by Jeff (edited 01-16-2001).]

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          • #6
            Guilliani and Whitman bet their Counterparts in Minnesota last Weekend, same with the Mayors and Governors of Oakland, CA and Baltimore MD, same with the Them for the Bowl. Meanwhile Guilliani crows about busting 11 Bookies in Brooklyn/Staten Island and Poor Jay Cohen awaits appeal because he accepts bets, and I might be a criminal for making bets. What the Hell is wrong with this Picture???

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            • #7
              the hypocrisy just keeps getting worse and worse doesn't it. People like Kyl disgust me. As bad as Ashcroft would be for our little community here, at least he's not a hypocrite. He's against ALL forms of gambling (including lotteries and horses) on moral grounds. Whether or not you agree at least he's consistent.
              yes

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              • #8
                This is news to everybody?

                The military has been doing this for 30-40 years at least. BUT you must remember, all this is done overseas, not here in the US and it is done in the Officer's/NCO/Enlisted Clubs to make a little money for them.

                Is it hypocracy? Yes. So is the piling on of military tasking around the world while dropping the funding. Contrary to what the Repubs say (in the campaign), both parties are party to this. Wait 5 years and you won't have a military to gamble with.

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                • #9
                  This is a true story.
                  I'm in the Army and have been to Germany and Korea. They put slots in the bowling alleys and NCO/Officer clubs. The bigger the post, the more slots available. I found how to win. You have to be at a place where there are many available. The machines pay about 95%. The payoff is, like in waves. But going down more than going up. Play only the single bar, 3 coin machines. First, put one coin for up to 6 tries. If you get double cherries or better, and are ahead (even one coin), quit and go to the next machine. If, after 6 coins and no double cherry or better, start putting in 3 coins until you do. Always count your money to see if your ahead after a hit. If so, quit and move to the next machine. If, after hitting with 3 coins and you are not ahead, start over from the top with 1 coin. After 3 weeks, I was up $73.00.
                  In Korea, I was on the DMZ where there weren't enough machines. There, it was recreationional. I would most of the time play with nickels, knowing there was no way to win.

                  [This message has been edited by TrendSetter (edited 01-21-2001).]

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                  • #10
                    Another true store:
                    On a Saturday evening, me and one of my room-mates were watching a football game. In comes one of my other room-mates. He's drunk and has his German girlfriend with him. He asks us to leave so he can take care of business. We said no. He offers $12.00 to leave for 45 minutes. I said, "let's go play the sluts". Me and my room-mate went to the bowling alley a couple of blocks away. I used the system described on one quarter machine. I was shaking the machine and making a scene. I was hitting. It kept hitting oranges. After 45 minutes the manager of the bowling alley came to us and said we couldn't shake the machine. I said OK and cashed in. I had won $29.00 with my $6.00. We went back to the room. Our room-mate hadn't even gotten to bed. He was in his underwear, dancing with her. He asked us to leave for 45 more minutes. We said, "do you have $12.00 more dollars?". He said, "no". We stayed. He had to take care of business with us there. Then the fool takes the girl down the hall, in his underwear, to the shower room.
                    One of the things that changed after that is that, because of me winning, the bowling alley manager, who I had never seen playing the machines, became a regular player.

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