Where did Jason from the Dunes go???

[skeptic]

Jeff,

Where did my post go?

I have been posting here about three years now. I have helped ferret out a lot of BS. I have always considered myself a solid contributing member, not just a noise maker. There was nothing that wasn't factual about my post. Why was it deleted?

To the best of my knowledge there has never been any rule about posting names. It is just a matterof courtesy that they are generally not posted. BUT, in the case of known thieves it is totally appropriate.

[This message has been edited by skeptic (edited 02-03-2001).]

[Jeff]

Skeptic,

You are 100% correct. Every post you have ever put in this forum is well worth reading, including the one deleted. You're definetly not a noise maker.

I just didn't feel right about having the name in here.

I'd be glad to explain further if you want to contact me.

[REALITY]

gamblero
Junior Member posted 02-02-2001 02:43 AM
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Since when does this site allow real people's names to be posted?
IP: Logged

skeptic
Member posted 02-03-2001 01:48 AM
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Jeff,
Where did my post go?

I have been posting here about three years now. I have helped ferret out a lot of BS. I have always considered myself a solid contributing member, not just a noise maker. There was nothing that wasn't factual about my post. Why was it deleted?

To the best of my knowledge there has never been any rule about posting names. It is just a matterof courtesy that they are generally not posted. BUT, in the case of known thieves it is totally appropriate.

FORUM ADVISORY:

THE FOLLOWING WILL NOT BE THE FIRST SALVO IN WORLD WAR III IN BETTORSWORLD.

THIS TOPIC IS IN THE ARCHIVES FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO READ MORE ON THE SUBJECT.

IT IS FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY.

"THOSE WHO DON'T LEARN FROM HISTORY ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT..."

MR. GAMBLERO,MR.SKEPTIC,

THE FOLLOWING IS POSTED MERELY IN THE HOPES THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THE PEOPLE IN THE BIZ FEEL ABOUT SEEING THEIR REAL IDENTITIES EXPOSED IN FROUMS SUCH AS THESE,NEWSPAPERS,THE MEDIA,ETC.

PUT YOURSELF IN THESE INDIVIDUAL'S SHOES AND HONESTLY ASSESS HOW YOU WOULD FEEL AND HOW YOUR FAMILY WOULD FEEL SEEING YOUR NAME OUT IN PUBLIC LIKE THIS.

THIS IS INFAMY, NOT FAME.

IT MATTERS NOT THAT IT MAY BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

IT IS JUST A MATTER OF COMMON COURTESY THAT YOU WOULD RESPECT SOMEONE'S RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE POST'S IN QUESTION ,IN REGARDS TO THESE POSTS, IN NO WAY SERVED TO SPARE ANYBODY FROM SLOW PAY OR NO PAY.

REALITY


Author Topic: LAST PHANTHOM POST FOR RENO
The Phantom
Member posted 04-29-2000 12:06 PM
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Reno,
You should be ashamed of yourself. You proclaim to love and respect this man on your
post yet you bury him with a capsule summary of his life.

I hope someday you get the visit he did and MLS gives the same capsule summary of your life with the disclaimer that he loves and respects you and your son.

Why didn't you reply to QUESTION FOR RENO or FOR RENO? I'll tell you why, because you could not address these posts point for point and successfully defend your position.

I really wanted you to just say in hindsight I made a mistake and wish i hadn't made the post.

Why? I already had THE KUDOS FOR RENO post ready. I truly believed you had enough integrity to do the classy thing which would have set the standard for posting in this great forum...

For the last time this has nothing to do with you providing incriminating evidence against this man,it is about respect for a man you claim to respect and love. Was the benifit derived for the readers worth draging
this man's name through the mud.

No.

The readers of Bettorsworld did not avoid getting slow paid,no paid or derive any other information that would be of benefit to them.

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE POST WHICH YOU JUST DANCE AROUND AND REFUSE TO ADDRESS.

Your post served only one purpose the
SELF-GLORIFICATION of RENO,it certainly didn't provide any information that would have specifically benefited any readers of this forum.

DO YOU GET THE POINT NOW???

And please don't anybody insult me with the why did you post Reno's post if you want everybody to forget defense.

The damage is already done. Reno had a chance to set the standard for posting in
this site but chose to plead NO LO CONTENDRE rather than be the man he professes to be in this forum.

Reno you truly missed an opportunity to be the MAN...

> reno
> Member posted 04-27-2000 01:37 AM
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xxxxx has been the biggest mover of money in Vegas for nearly 15 years. He used to work out of Caesar's Palace, and then he got huge financing and became the biggest mover for all the betting syndicates. xxxxx is a great, great guy with a giant heart. I truly love and respect him. I used to work with xxxxx--probably in 1984-1985--before he became a mover and when he was still working out of Caesar's Palace. xxxxxand oooo (who was Polar's boss for many, many years)and I
would scalp baseball games together. I would go up and down the strip, checking sportsbook lines while xxxxx would be in Caesar's and oooo would be at home calling
privates and phone accounts.
I had dinner with xxxxx and his son zzzzzzz (who used to be a runner for xxxxxx but no longer is involved in sportsbetting)a few months ago. I could have gotten involved moving money, but I finally decided that
the risk wasn't worth the profit potential. I had actually contemplated moving money until very recently. I thank my lucky stars that I didn't do it. I haven't called anyone to get details about the bust. Their phones may be tapped. An agent for a very close
friend got nabbed and called my friend. This guy is an agent for half-a-dozen Don Best books. They came in and took everything he had, including his computers.

It is amazing how motivated the Feds now are to bust innocuous movers runners. All these guys are doing is placing bets for someone else. As far as I'm concerned, this type of bust is indicative of the Gestapoization of America. It is legalized stealing.
All the feds want is an excuse to grab the loot.

Consider the following quote from "The Offshore Money Manual:

When the United States was founded there were only three federal crimes: treason, counterfeiting and piracy on the high seas.
Now, with complete disregard for the constitutional tradition that long reserved the area of criminal law to the states, Congres has rushed to enact over 3,000
federal criminal prohitions. That disturbing number comes from Ronald Gainer, a washington attorney who was paid to count all those crimes by the U.S. department of Justice. Worse, Congress gives non-elected executive branch bureuacrats the power to
write thousands of pages of regulations which also impose criminal penalties.

What initially prompted Congres to unleash this onslaught was money. There are vast profits to be made in the so-called "war on drugs." Laws supposedly aimed at preventing drug-related money laundering allow police to capture and seize any funds consider to be
illicit. Congress has converted cash and property transactions associated with over 100 "specified unlawful activities" into separate new federal felonies, allowing still more confiscations. Now, money-hungry prosecutors routinely pressure citizens who are accused of non-violent, non-drug-related crimes. Regardless of the alleged crime, they add on unrelated money-laundering
charges in the hopes of levying a big fine and enriching their own cofers. Many of these "crimes" carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in jail, twice the average sentence served by murderers in the U.S.

TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS FEEL IN REGARDS TO THE INDIVIDUALS IN THESE UNFORTUNATE SITUATIONS,THE FOLLOWING MIGHT HELP.


The Phantom
Member posted 04-28-2000 11:58 AM
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MLS,
Until you have experienced the joy of having your door knocked down at 6:00 a.m. or spent 3 days in a holding pen until your paperwork can be found you can never understand why myself and many of the people in this business are so sensitive to what Reno has sought fit to post in the past. When he posts this kind of personal information it does absolutely nothing to benefit the readers of this post. In your profile I believe you state your occupation as a doctor. How would you like this scenario? Your home is raided and you are arrested in front of all your family and friends for performing abortions. Your next door neighnor who just happens to be your best friend, a man who truly loves and respects you gives the local newspaper the following quote:

DR.MLS HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST ABORTIONIST FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.HE USED TO DO ABORTIONS IN HIS GARAGE BUT THEN HE GOT HUGE FINANCING FROM THE BIG DOCTORS WHO DIDN'T HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THIS KIND OF WORK.DR.MLS IS A GREAT GUY WITH A BIG HEART.I TRULY LOVE AND
RESPECT HIM.HE USED TO THROW ME 10'S AND 20'S TO DRIVE THE PATIENTS HOME AFTER THE PROCEEDURE,BEFORE I GOT MY OWN TAXI.

Get the picture now.
Everything he posted in his article did nothing to benefit the readers of this post, all it did was insult the person who was supposed to be his friend and provided additional coverage of a situation all people in this business hope will soon go away.

As for your remark about my being naive about what the powers that we know or don't know I won't even give that the dignity of a response.

The Phantom

IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS THIS IS RENO'S TAKE ON THE SITUATION:

Author Topic: Phantom Reply
reno
Member posted 04-28-2000 09:16 PM
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First, I did not bring up the Man's name in this forum. Two other posters had already mentioned it. Also, his last name was never disclosed. Second, what I said was common knowledge among those in the know in the sportsbetting industry. Even "Smartplayer" in New York knew the name of the Man, and what he does, which is high-level messenger betting (money moving) for syndicates. Third, he had already been busted. It's not like I fingered him, and he got busted because of my BW post reply about him. Fourth, the investigation prior to the bust had been going on for nearly four years. The Feds and Nevada Gaming Control Board collaborated on it. They had even tapped phones. It would be ludicrous to think that they don't have the Man's M.O. down to a "T."
From my perspective, if I had written what I wrote prior to the bust, it would have been irresponsible. But, the fact that it was written afterwards rendered it impotent.

Finally, your repetitive rants regarding this subject will accomplish nothing more than earning you disrespect in BW. In the future, I suggest that you simply write a single, comprehensive post rather than clutter the forum with manic redundancy.

BOTTOM LINE,THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

DOES THE BENEFIT DERIVED TO THE PUBLIC OUTWEIGH THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHOSE PERSONAL PRIVACY IS COMPROMISED?

IF YOUR THE WORLD'S GREATEST ATHLETE AND YOU JUST WON THE OLYMPICS YOU WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOUR NAME IN PRINT.

IF YOUR HE WORLD'S BIGGEST BOOKMAKER AND JUST GOT HAULED OFF TO JAIL YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE YOUR NAME IN PRINT.

ANYWHERE...

REALITY

[skeptic]

Jeff,

I respect your response although I do not agree with it. I will respect your wishes and not post it again on this site. It's your site and you should be able to run it how you see fit.

Reality,

Like I stated it is only because of courtesy that we don't mention names in here on a regular business. I understand why someone who is in bookmaking might not want his name mentioned here in the current hostile legal environment.

However, anytime a known scammer gets involved in this business I personally think it is more than appropriate to blast his real name all over the web. This was not some honest bookmaker who was just trying to make a living, it was con man who happened to use offshore bookmaking as his latest front.

[skeptic]

And one more thing. I didn't even initiate the thread but when asked i thought it was more than appropriate to reply.

[REALITY]

MR.SKEPTIC,

AGREE 100%.

REALITY

[gamblero]

Reality Re-read my post I was saying since when DOES this site allow names to be posted. Meaning I did not think it was right for it to be posted here.

[REALITY]

GAMBLERO,

APOLOGIES...

REALITY