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    At the start of football season, I opened an account with Horizon Sports (Costa Rica). They were highly recommended by this website, they took big old bets, and the Shrink said he played there no problem. Their marketing guy, a Mr. Doug Davidson, also posted messages here and at the other Watchdog Sites.

    When I opened my account, they gave me a 10% match-play bonus -- which I believe, I lost on two football bets.

    From September until February I bet almost everyday with Horizon, mostly parlays and teasers. They had good odds. Pro football. Hockey. Pro Buckets. NCAA buckets. Just about everything. I did great one of my best years ever, and they paid no problem.

    Then, almost six months after opening my account, the managers, "Nick and Max" closed down my account. They said I was a "mover" for a syndicate and they didn't want my parlay/teaser action, my straight action, nothing. (This is like after six months of betting!) They said the same thing about "my friend The Shrink" (who I don't even know) -- that I did what he did, come in and bet other peoples picks or something. And some other bookie confirmed I was a syndicate player, etc.

    I had an account balance of almost $150,000. They said they would send me half right away and the rest in three weeks. I told them to send it all immediately or transfer it to a book that would appreciate my action. They said they we're making me wait for my money because I had "come under false pretences, etc."

    I told them they were nuts and to send me ALL my money immediately. After a variety of threats -- like they weren't going to send me any of my money if I continued to complain-- they agreed to send the whole amount.

    Well, four days later I get a bank wire for the whole amount -- with $6750 missing. I call up and they tell me that represents the amount I won with my match-play bonus. (I thought I lost those bets anyway six months ago, but I've got no record to prove it, so, OK, I'll take their word that I did win $6750 in match-play bonus bets. I highly doubt it.)

    Anyway, I tell them that my entire balance is mine and they shouldn't be stealing any of my money six months later. Horizon says, no, that's the penalty you pay for lying to us about where you were getting your plays.

    I told them I'd give them a few days to reconsider their theft and if I didn't get ALL my money by today I would expose them for the thieves they are.

    Don't threaten us they said. They said do what you gotta do, the Internet boards don't effect them anyway. They get all their customers from direct marketing, etc.

    So, I'm doing what I gotta do.

    Now I don't expect to ever see that $6750 again, because what am I going to do, send down the FBI to Costa Rica? But I do want other players big and small to know that Horizon Sports will steal your money if they can come up with some lame excuse.

    Thier marketing man, Doug, tld me that if I exposed thier actions he would "do whatever he had to do to protect his business," which I take to mean lying etc.

    I get my plays from the same service that many of the big Vegas sharp players use, and I pay big money for this service to get the good odds before the lines move. But if you want me to admit to being a mover for syndicates, a mover that likes to bet teasers and parlays. OK. Sure. That's me. Guilty as charged. But now you're going to take away winnings from six months ago? I mean, that's seriously desperate. Whatever there rational it's just an excuse to steal.

    I had a great year. I won big money. They paid me. No problem. The $6750 ain't nothing to me. But I don't like these guys jerking around players, and I want anyone else who is looking for a place to bet to be warned.

    To me it's a pretty open and shut deal. All this crap about syndicates and stuff is a smokescreen, especially since they were more than happy to book my action for almost six months! I'll repeat it again, even if I WAS a syndicate player (and I wasn't) that's a pretty lame excuse to walk off with my dough.

    You can argue about what great guys these Horizon *****s are until you're blue in the face. And Doug can "protect" his shop all he wants. But its still robbery what they did.

    And you wonder why people are scared to bet offshore.

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    WARNING:SCOTTIELP IS A "MOVER".

    REALITY

    [This message has been edited by REALITY (edited 02-16-2001).]

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    • #3
      Reality what difference does it make if the guy is a mover or not? This book has a right to hold up his money? Does this player know the scores of the games before they are played? Could he have lost? If he lost would we be hearing this? This is total fucking bullshit on behalf of horizon. It took horizon $150,000 to learn he was a wiseguy? Or did they know after just a couple of plays and try to string him along like NASA did with Billy Walters guy hoping he'd **** his load? What a disgrace.

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      • #4
        WHAT DOES THEIR WEBSITE SAY? SEEMS SIMPLE ENOUGH TO ME. IF THERE IS A STIPULATION IN THE RULES THAT SAYS THEY DONT HAVE TO PAY WINNERS THEIR BONUS, THEY ARE OFF THE HOOK. IF NOT, THEY OWE THE MAN. WHICH IS IT?

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        • #5
          ScottieLP - Just a little advice. It would be better to send goons in CRica than FBI.

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          • #6
            Dear Mr xxxx,

            Most everything you stated in your tirade above is true. You did play with us for most of the football season and we absorbed your wins like any other book.
            When you first signed up with us you were told (on tape) that we did not want money-movers for syndicates. This decision is not based on playing moves or steam or wiseguys at all. We have plenty of those. The Shrink did play with us and did win his free plays (5k worth) and was paid for these.

            Our problem with you sir is you are a money mover for the biggest syndicate in the world. This was confirmed by two independent sources by me. Horizon Sports doesn't want syndicate play for a reason, and that reason is, exposure in the money moving business and having us being included as part of it. The syndicate you are involved in is high profile and attracts a lot of attention. That kind of attention could jeopardize our company. We are a small, high-end company that doesn't advertise. What makes you think we want your kind of advertisement?

            And what are the repercussions to any player who lies and a misrepresents himself to gain access to a book that is known to pay it's debts? Nothing, you say sorry and then try again and sorry, then come in again. Not here! There is only type of player that is not welcome at Horizon Sports and you sir, are that type of player.

            Horizon Sports has never fired a player for winning, if so why was this guy still playing after winning almost 400k? Which by the way, we promptly paid. Your account was debited the $6700 in free plays you received from us, (we have the plays and the tapes) because you misrepresented yourself to us and put our company at risk doing so.

            This is the only deterrent we feel morally right in doing. We cannot stress enough how firmly set we are against this type of player and the illegal activities he can include us in with moving money off-shore and on-shore directly for gambling all over the world with all types of books.

            If this happens again, we will do the same thing again, if that player is confirmed to a mover for one of the syndicates.

            This will be the only post I will make for Horizon Sports on this subject. This issue is now closed

            Doug Davidson
            Horizon Sports


            [This message has been edited by Jeff (edited 02-17-2001).]

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            • #7
              Reality:

              Because he uses a profitable service, he's a 'mover'? Please explain.

              Jeff

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              • #8
                Mr. Davidson - I respect your position regarding ScottieLP and I personally don't have a problem with the way you handled this financially. That's really between him, you and Horizon.

                However, I don't like the fact that you used his last name. You addressed your post to Dear Mr. Lappin. If this is his real name I don't see why you needed to reveal it to all of us and perhaps the FBI, IRS and other US Government enforcement agencies. Dear Mr. ScottieLP would have been sufficient.

                Plus, you also stated that he won almost 400k. In the USA, the IRS loves nothing better than to have a reason to seize our assets. Your posting of his last name and winnings is sure to sig the IRS pests on him. And, maybe he deserves it.

                But that's not your right since you don't even live in this Country and I suspect are not one of its taxpayers. I'll assume that he is paying his taxes even though it may be highly unlikely. It's part of the presumption of innocence we accomodate our citizens. Now, becasue of your revealing his name, he may have to explain why he has an extra 25 cents because the IRS is merciless in its pursuit of the almighty (taxable) dollar. And, in this Country that means every dollar that is not already in the hands of the Federal Government.

                However, those of us who choose to bet offshore do so on the condition that it is our choice on how we wish to handle any tax implications in this Country. If we have a problem (whether perceived or real) with an offshore book, we'd like to think that our private information will be just that - PRIVATE. Again, the IRS in this Country is a Gestapo with almost dictatorial powers.

                Therefore, all of you sports books, when you respond to a post, please leave out our personal information no matter how righteously justified or angry you are. I keep track of this and I would not want to do business with a book that would reveal my private information under any circumstances. Especially, if they assured me when I signed-up that my information would remain confidential.

                Now, I know ScottieLP revealed your name in his post. If this caused you any problems (again, whether perceived or real) then in my opinion he is just as wrong as you are here.

                It's just a matter of good business by ALL offshore books. None of need the hassle this Government can do just because we like to bet on sporting events.

                [This message has been edited by aknorman (edited 02-16-2001).]

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jlpblade:
                  Reality:

                  Because he uses a profitable service, he's a 'mover'? Please explain.

                  Jeff
                  JLP,

                  IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS GREAT WIN WAS THE PRODUCT OF A "PROFITABLE SERVICE" I HAVE SOME EXCELLENT INVESTMENT PROPERTIES FOR YOU IN FLORIDA.

                  THESE BEAUTIFUL PROPERTIES ARE UNDER A LITTLE WATER RIGHT NOW, BUT IN A CENTURY OR TWO WHEN IT DRIES OUT, IT WILL BE PRIME RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY...

                  DON'T MISS OUT ON THIS "PROFITABLE SERVICE"...

                  FOR FURTHER INFO PLEASE CONTACT:

                  PROFITABLESERVICES@REALITY.COM

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                  • #10
                    This is just bollocks, the biggest load of crap that I have ever heard. Why the heck do you pay a guy ALMOST 400K and not pay him the 6K you also owe him?

                    Is this some sort of distorted sick publicity stunt?

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                    • #11
                      THIS IS NO PUBLICITY STUNT.

                      I HAD LUNCH WITH JEFF THIS PAST TUESDAY AND TOLD HIM ABOUT THIS SITUATION.

                      THE FACTS AS REPORTED IN HORIZON SPORTS REPLY ARE AS THEY STATED.

                      REALITY

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                      • #12
                        LAST SATURDAY I HAD DINNER WITH DOUG. AFTER A FEW BOTTLES OF WINE HE DISCLOSED TO ME HOW HE WAS ABLE TO AFFORD HIS EXTRAVAGANT LIFE STYLE. HE SAID HE SHORTED SOME GUY $6,700, BUT THAT IT WASN'T REALLY STEALING BECAUSE HE HAD ALREADY PAID HIM 400 LARGE. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DOUG I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR TRIP TO THE ORIENT COMPLIMENTS OF THE NEXT CLIENT YOU SHORT PAY. regards, misty

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                        • #13
                          Sounds like straight up stealing to me, and that was messed up to print his name. I can tell you that I wont be playing there.

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                          • #14

                            LADIES AND GENTLEMAN,

                            IT IS SCOTTIELP'S INTENTION BY HIS POST TO CAUSE MR.DAVIDSON AND HORIZON SPORTS AS MUCH AGGRAVATION AND BAD PUBLICITY AS HE CAN.

                            DID HE?

                            ABSOLUTELY NOT!

                            I HAVE RECEIVED A DOZEN E-MAILS FROM SERIOUS PLAYERS ASKING ME IF I KNOW MR.DAVIDSON AND HORIZON SPORTS.

                            I SAID I DO AND I CAN CONFIRM MR.DAVIDSON'S TAKE ON THIS SITUATION.

                            THE BOOKS I ENDORSE ARE BECAUSE OF MY BUSINESS AND PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PRINCIPALS.

                            I HAVE SOME FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THESE COMPANIES AND THAT ALLOWS ME TO ENDORSE THEM.

                            ALL THE E-MAILS I RECEIVED JUST WANTED ME TO ANSWER ONE QUESTION:

                            DID HORIZON SPOERTS PAY THIS GENTLEMAN CLOSE TO 400 LARGE?

                            ANSWER:

                            YES THEY DID!

                            THAT IS ALL THEY WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE HORIZION SPORTS IS ABOUT TO RECEIVE SOME NEW PLAYERS COURTESY OF MR.SCOTTIELP'S POST.

                            SCOTTIELP,PLEASE DON'T COME BACK WITH ANOTHER POST LOOKING FOR THE REFERAL BONUS FOR THESE PLAYERS...

                            REALITY

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                            • #15
                              "R"MAN, WHATS YOUR TAKE ON SCOTTIE? IS IT PERSONAL OR ARE YOU JUST BEING DEFENSIVE BECAUSE OF DOUG'S MORAL DELIMA? misty

                              [This message has been edited by MISTY (edited 02-17-2001).]

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