BAN THE BAD LINE RULE!!!!

[kosar]

When I first saw this nonsense at another forum, I had first thought that it was somebody screwing around.

I guess this 'gambler' is serious about his perception of being 'slighted'.

LMFAO

[Bookiebar]

Originally posted by Chillin-the-Most:
This is simply to protect themselves from the 100% chance that a mistake is made.

Indeed, but where is the protection for the customer.. zip, nada, none, if you get stiffed the best one can do is hope, and post a few words on one of the forums. The book well they already have your money ....

Anyway, simple solution do not post bad lines.

Why is it the customer that suffers for poor bookmaking?

[Railbird]

Julia Roberts was -250,-450,-1000,-2000,-2500 on the same night,which was the off line.

Gladiato was -375,-250,-187,+120,+200,+300 with in 2 days.which is the bad line?

[Bookiebar]

Railbird, there is no such thing as a bad line only bad bookmakers / sportsbooks.

[Bman66]

Reality,

Using Railbird's reasoning, what if the 5 point difference in the hoops game was due to heavy action on the opening number and thus did indeed move it 5 points. Would the book that had the old number be considered a bad line? I would say no. The bettors just caught it before they moved it. I know 5 points is alot, but wouldn't that be a reasonable assumption?

Bman66

[MiddleDiddleDo]

I am all in favor of books being allowed to void a bet due to a bad line.....as long as they allow me to void my bet after the final buzzer has been sounded (or final putout has been registered) due to bad handicapping....

[Jeff]

Railbird makes a great point. There is a difference between posting a bad/wrong number, and simply falling asleep at the wheel.

I once had a book post the wrong 30 point favorite.

That's an obvious mistake.

On the otherhand, there was an injury game this year in the NBA that moved 4 points.

A player scrambled to get down on the game (total) once he got word of the injury. Most places were on the ball.

Gibraltar had the game at the original number 5 minutes later. So, the player played the game there. They were no doubt, sleeping at the wheel.

The guy went to make a play later in the day, and was told he had to speak to a manager. The manager got on the phone, and explained that for some reason, when they changed the line, it didn't change on their web site. A lame excuse for falling asleep at the wheel? Maybe...

Player played the game OVER 194

Game moved from 194-198.......book told the player he could have 197 if he wanted (it was 198 everywhere).....player said if we're going to compromise, how about you give it to me at 196? Gibraltar agreed to the compromise.......everybody was happy.

[Jeff]

REALITY-

Why is there a reluctance to commit to a specific number of points/cents a line has to be off to be considered an obvious error?

[TheMiddleMan]

A number of points/cents can't be made a standard due to lines moving all the time due to injuries heavy action etc...Plus who will be the standard to comapre it to? What if the cutoff sides bad error line is 8 points. One book had nyk -12. stardust had them -4 and lvsc had them -4.5. There would be so much arguing as to the line being off 8 points where the bookie can void the bet or 7.5 wher the bookie must eat it. The bottom line is this business has no room for errors and the people agreeing with this bad line rule is allowing books to make errors nonchilantly and go back on a bet anytime they want. We players cant go back on bets neither should they. 11/10 is enough.

I'm waiting for books to ban this bad line rule. I spoke with clark (the headlinesman for sbg) on the phone and he says he will accept all wagers no matter what the amount no matter how bad the line is between the hours of noon and midnight. Thats a fair tradeoff since thats when most betting action takes place. He told me he will post this statement on this forum today. I've known sbg to be people of their words. Hopefully they will come through

[REALITY]

Originally posted by Railbird:

Julia Roberts was -250,-450,-1000,-2000,-2500 on the same night,which was the off line.

Gladiato was -375,-250,-187,+120,+200,+300 with in 2 days.which is the bad line?

IN REALITY,NO PUN INTENDED, IT IS VERY HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT ARE BAD LINES WITH THESE PROPOSITION WAGERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T APPEAR ON DON BEST WHERE A BAD LINE WOULD STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.

IN REGARDS TO THIS CONVERSATION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 5 DIME BET AND A 5 POINT MIS-POSTED LINE WHICH CAN EASILY BE INDENTIFIED AS SUCH BY REFERING TO THE MEDIAN LINE THAT APPEARS ON DON BEST OR BY VISITING 4 OR 5 ON-LINE BOOKS AND CHECKING THE LINE.

PLEASE SPARE IT'S NOT THE CUSTOMERS JOB TO CHECK LINES.

THAT IS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO RATIONALIZE STEALING AND CHEATING WHICH IN FACT THIS IS.

EVEN SOME OF REALITY'S BIGGEST FANS WEIGH IN ON THE SIDE OF THE BOOK ON THIS ONE.

EVEN MY DEAR FRIEND KOSAR WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEAT THE BOOKS LIKE A DRUM, BUT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ON THE SQUARE.

THE ABOVE IS A BAD EXAMPLE FOR THE REASON STATED ABOVE.

REALITY

[Rich]

middle man do you thinkif a book posts
Pacific as a 58 point favorite over Nebraska
in a september college football game that
they have to honer the bet?

Reality, a book whcih i wont name beause i
still use "sparingly" sent me an email a
few minutes after i bet a hockey total over
5 at even when all the others had it at 5
over 15 or 20. Thats at most20 cents off and
it was concievable to me that they wanted the
line the way they had it.

Here's may solution for a line to be considered bad it must be atleast 5 points
or 50 cents from the line anywhere or anytime
in the history of the game. That would prevent a book from canceling a bet where
a number moved and they weren't up to speed
but protect them from a ridiculous human error that nobody in their right mind
should try to take advantage of. Dbest
archives on line movement should be the final judge.

[REALITY]

Originally posted by Rich:
?

Reality, a book whcih i wont name beause i
still use "sparingly" sent me an email a
few minutes after i bet a hockey total over
5 at even when all the others had it at 5
over 15 or 20. Thats at most20 cents off and
it was concievable to me that they wanted the
line the way they had it.

RICH,

I WOULD CLOSE MY ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY HERE.

THIS EXAMPLE IS REDICULOUS...

Here's may solution for a line to be considered bad it must be atleast 5 points
or 50 cents from the line anywhere or anytime
in the history of the game. That would prevent a book from canceling a bet where
a number moved and they weren't up to speed
but protect them from a ridiculous human error that nobody in their right mind
should try to take advantage of. Dbest
archives on line movement should be the final judge. [/B]

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE 50 CENTS.

IN MY OPINION 5 POINTS IS TOO HIGH.

50 CENTS = 2.5 POINTS

REALITY

[TheMiddleMan]

5 points to me would be too low! Like I said before, standardizing an error cutoff is not the solution. If you were comparing it to donBest and if donBest has errors on their side displaying the line...then whose to blame. You're all trying to solve a problem with a problem. Its such a simple solution if you think of it. Be responsible don't put up bad lines and if you do you gotta PAY FOR IT. If however a cutoff was to be implented i suggest 11 points on sides both baskets and fb and $1 on money lines. The 11 points being an understanding that 187 178 where a 78 were traversed. A money line having a dog +150 and +1500 is forgivable. Also if a +150 dog is supposed to be a -150 favorite thats also forgivable. But thats where I would draw the line. Everything else is fair game. I still disagree with the having error cutoffs. I hope sbg comes through with their post today and is the innitiator of bookies on taking responsibilty for bad lines.

[Dragon]

I played the wrong side of a game not long ago. Called the book and told them. They made me play the other side to get off the bet. Is that fair? Afterall, I just made a simple mistake!

[REALITY]

Originally posted by Dragon:
I played the wrong side of a game not long ago. Called the book and told them. They made me play the other side to get off the bet. Is that fair? Afterall, I just made a simple mistake!

IF YOU CALLED WITHIN 10 MINUTES OF THE ORIGINAL WAGER AND THE LINE DIDN'T MOVE THERE IS NO REASON FOR A BOOK NOT TO ACCOMODATE YOU IN THIS SITUATION PROVIDED THAT YOU DON'T DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS...

REALITY