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    Immigrant Wants DEA To Give His $148,000 Back

    By Guillermo Contreras
    Journal Staff Writer
    On Hoang Thach is either a lucky gambler or a drug-courier whose luck ran out.
    Federal drug agents are gambling on the latter: They seized $148,000 from Thach, 26, last year on an Amtrak train in Albuquerque.
    The government wants to keep the cash. Federal prosecutors say agents had reason to search Thach's roomette and belongings and that he hasn't come up with a credible explanation for where he got the money.
    Thach, a Vietnamese immigrant who settled in the Boston area 10 years ago, claims he was returning from a wedding in California when the money was confiscated in February 2000.
    Thach had $149,000 in a backpack. Federal agents took $148,000 and gave him a receipt, letting him keep $1,000 to continue his trip.
    No drugs were found, and Thach has not been charged with a crime.
    His attorney, D. Penni Adrian of Albuquerque, contends a Drug Enforcement Administration task force officer identified her client from a passenger manifest he obtained from Amtrak.
    Adrian said Thach was targeted because he was a minority, was traveling alone, had paid for his one-way ticket in cash and left no call-back number when the ticket was reserved.
    "All they knew is he was a minority who paid cash for his ticket," Adrian said in an interview.
    Court records say Thach told agents he won the money gambling at casinos in Los Angeles, Boston and Connecticut and that some came from his job at a company that makes nails.
    The government says agents established reasonable suspicion to search Thach's belongings because he had several characteristics that likened him to a drug courier and because he was evasive or contradictory in answers about his travel plans.
    The government also contends he gave consent for a search and even helped an agent take the money out of a backpack. He then gave inconsistent answers about where he got the cash, the government says.
    In a court document, a prosecutor said further investigation shows Thach won no more than $25,000 from casinos where he reported gambling. And Thach, the government said, grosses $800 to $1,000 a week at his job.
    "In short, the government has furthered its support that Thach's claims of a legitimate income are not credible, and Thach has provided no proof of a legitimate source or purpose that would support his claims that the money was from an innocent source and not drug-related," Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen R. Kotz wrote in a March 30 court memorandum.
    Speaking generally, a DEA supervisor said in a telephone interview that agents on train detail do not take into account a person's race or ethnicity.
    "We do not ever look at people by their race or things of that nature," said Steve Derr, assistant agent in charge of the DEA in New Mexico. "I do not know what was used for this individual, but it has nothing to do with ethnic background."
    Kotz wrote in court documents that Thach matched several characteristics of a drug-courier profile.
    He bought a one-way ticket shortly before departure and paid $702 in cash. Kotz noted the name on the ticket, "Sammy Tsach," didn't match either of Thach's two names, and he was carrying a large amount of cash in a new backpack "with no receipt or credible explanation for the cash source or purpose."
    Kotz also noted that the money was bundled in $1,000 increments — "all similarly taped or stapled at the corners."
    Thach was also traveling from a known drug source area — Los Angeles — and was carrying a cell phone, Kotz wrote.
    Thach told the agent he had won the money gambling at casinos but gave inconsistent answers, Kotz noted.
    A drug-sniffing dog was brought in to smell the money but did not "alert" or detect an odor of drugs. A second dog, however, did alert to the money, court records said.
    In February, Adrian filed a motion saying her client did not willfully give consent and that a person's anxiety cannot be used to bolster probable cause. She said Thach's use of English is limited, which the government disputes.
    Adrian said her client is not involved in criminal activity and the reason the second dog sniffed drugs on the money might be due to contamination of cash in general.
    Adrian points to an article in the Kentucky Law Journal in 1997, which cited studies that argue a canine's alert to cash should not routinely be given evidentiary value or used to bolster reasonable suspicion for search or seizure. The reason, researchers concluded, is that most of the cash in the United States has detectable traces of cocaine.
    No trial date has been scheduled on Thach's petition to recover the money.

  • #2
    This is a good example of discrimation. Now, you guys tell me. Do you think EOE (Equal Opportunity Employer) is really being implemented at work? Oh please!!! Give me a break!!!

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    • #3
      He was coming from LA, AND he had a cell phone, therefore, he must be a drug courier......wow

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      • #4
        I know this has happened many times in the sportsbetting world, where different groups, movers, etc. have been raided and cash confiscated without charges ever being brought, but man, this guy was just riding the damn train!

        Lots of immigrants don't trust the banking system and keep their life savings in their homes.....who's to say that's not the case???

        Now you have to justify possesing something that is not illegal to posses? $$$

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        • #5
          what in the hell? i can't believe this.
          chuckz

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          • #6
            WOW!!

            this is amazing. if i were in the drug trade the last thing i would do is have someone carry 148k$ in cash on an amtrak ( poor security i think ) who was a minority that might get profiled ( if i was a criminal i'd have to consider the racism of my opponent ) with no conveniently verifiable explaination for the funds.

            as for his muddied explaination and possible sudden loss of his command of english, i was once mistaken for a battery suspect and confronted by two 'bull' police officers. after a few moments my command of english deteriorated to an angry 'i haven't been here since 5:30 this morning' which i repeated every time they tried to say something.

            mr. on hoang thach could very easily be a frugal person who saves every penny from his job and doesn't trust banks.

            perhaps if i was DEA i would be in the habit of only suspecting people of crimes related to my agency.

            and wouldn't it be a pressure tactic to have a second dog trained to give the 'i smell drugs' signal in front of the suspect to get him to think he's caught?

            my god, this leaks.

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            • #7
              Read somewhere (USA Today?) that Amtrak has a deal with the DEA. Amtrak provides tips on profiled customers and in return get 10% on assets seized.

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              • #8
                America is a great country for making money.
                Unfortunately, the hard thing to do is to keep the government from stealing it once you make it.

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                • #9
                  So does that mean that if I buy myself a one-way ticket, pay by cash, and give no return phone number then Amtrak calls the DEA???

                  On a side not, I pay almost everything by cash and I have three cell phones. Wonder what they'd make of me...

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                  • #10
                    Cons, you are about as dodgy as it is possible to be then.

                    What sort of shoes do you wear on the train?

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                    • #11
                      Now I understand all the talk about how we are moving towards a cashless society. The government is stealing all large sums of cash, and the end result will be a cashless society.

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                      • #12
                        sounds like a crock o sh1t to me.
                        btw...where can i get a job at a nail making factory for $800-$1,000 wk?

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                        • #13
                          AV, I've never paid for a train ticket in any other way but cash. I think it looks real dodgy when I board a plane and have to switch off three phones. Looks like I'm collecting them or something...

                          I agree with Reno about the whole cashless society thing. That is the government's ultimate goal, because as soon as cash is gone they have full control of every penny in existence.

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                          • #14
                            Well, I believe that there is something shady on that guys part. Who the hell carries 148k on them? Why didn't he just wire the winnings to his bank?

                            However, I do believe he should be able to keep the money because what just cause does the DEA have to keep it? They are going on suspicion only. If they can't convict him of something then its his money to keep.
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                            • #15
                              The whole mentality of this thing is backwards.

                              The articles says "that he hasn't come up with a credible explanation for where he got the money.

                              In my mind, he doesn't need one any more than I do to carry a roll or $20's. Unless a crime has happened, people should be left alone.

                              Most asians I have dealt with ALWAYS pay in cash, whether they buy a refrigerator, get carpet installed or buy a plane ticket. Must be a cultural thing.

                              I thought you were innocent until proven guilty - my mistake.

                              Face the facts - in this country, the almighty dollar is God and that inspires the governemnt to steal, over tax (isn't that the same thing) and hound people for money they believe is theirs.

                              Money is behind the whole "outlaw internet betting scheme" but as you can see, casinos are seeing that they too can make a buck. Consequently they are not supporting Kyl on his witch hunt any longer.

                              Sometimes (like now) this country makes me sick to my stomach and almost inspires me to become a lawyer to help put a stop to the BS these thugs are pulling.

                              Sonny
                              As Always - Good Luck,

                              Sonny

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