From Mark Del - Camelot

[Jeff]

From: Mark Del
To: Jeff
Cc: brian@bettorsworld.com
Subject: WOW
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:33:03 -0400

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Wow, you guys are fucking worse than I thought...I can't believe I actually
used to post at your site and respect your views on books, now it turns out
that you would slander someone who has done nothing but pay every player who
has won, not one incident of even slightly late pay. But you defend GoTo and
until recently Direcbet when you knew their troubles...wow...you guys have
no integrity. You knew Reno, Dogs and Fatboy weren't shills for me, but you
lied and called them that just to make me look bad...wow.

Well, I've pretty much had enough, so now it's time to find out which of you
has any balls.

Assuming I can trust you not to call the cops, which based on Raj's article
is a big question mark, I'll come and meet you guys at Brian's place in
Connecticut and we'll settle this however you want...hands, knives, pistols,
it doesn't matter to me, you choose. There's two of you so it will be a fair
fight...of course, I'd be willing to bet that it's more likely you scumbags
will forward this to a law enforcement agency and try and pass it off as a
threat rather than do the manly thing and back up your words with your ass.

But guys like you never show up for meetings like that, you'd rather hide
behind your keyboards like the pussies that you are. I'll even sweeten the
pot for you...I'll bring 10 grand cash on me and it's yours if you can take
it off me.

Just tell me the day and time...I already know the location...

[Jeff]

Keep in mind, this is as a result of having an opinion he doesn't agree with, and a valid one at that. This is a result of Bettorsworld NOT agreeing that Camelot sportsbook is the second coming of Christ, and a superbook after just 4 months in business. This is someone who can't handle it when someone doesn't agree with the smoke that's been blown up his ass by his followers.

Anyone who supports a piece of garbage like this is just as much of a piece of garbage as he is.

If this is the direction you want this industry to take, than keep supporting people like this, who will take this industry backwards.

Is this what would happen if you had a dispute with this book?

Players - support this, and someday, you will get the same. You will create an industry where the books will do as they please. You call with a problem, they'll tell you to go fuc* yourself.

If you don't support this type of bullshit, then I'd withdraw my money from this place now!

[Jeff]

Just to follow up, you'll see Mr Del has quickly followed up with a post at HIS website, followed up with what appears to be Freddy aka the Devil condoning this type of response. Freddy, I'm surprised.

You'll quickly see the legions of people come in who support garbage like this. Some real, some not so real.

The bottom line is, they are trying to turn this industry back into what it was 10-15 years ago when the player had no voice.

Players, open your eyes. Something is not right here. Don't lose what little control you had/have.

Don't support this nonsense. Realize that there are more opinions than just a sportsbook owners opinion.

We recognize that there are others with opinions. They don't. Or won't. They want to manipulate you and brainwash you to agree with everything they say.

You have to know it's bullshit, because anytime over the last 6 years we got out of line or did something people disagreed with there was always someone there to remind us. Where are these people now? Where are these people that are so quick to point out all the wrong that they see? Don't they see anything wrong with this picture??? Are they afraid to speak up in fear of the big mouths that will attack their opinions?

I've always taken the highroad in my dealings with people in this biz. There is no high road to take with people like this.

If the players would prefer to have the "agree with me and say good things about my book or I'll kick your ass" attitude prevail, please let me know and we'll close up shop. I personally want no part of a business or industry run like that.

If you have appreciated any work we've done over the years and value anything done by this website for you over the years, then please boycott this book at all costs.

Lastly. Mark Del refers to me forgetting about the "list". Couldn't be further from the truth. That's what he'd like you to believe. What I was referring to was a COMPLETE LIST of all sportsbooks we knew of. I have NEVER forgotten the list and never will, and Mark knows this. If he didn't, he wouldn't have asked to have been included on it prior to football season.

Don't believe the bullshit.

[bgeorgia]

So far we have been threatened physically by major wager and mark del. guns and knives. we are a business that is in the business of making this industry safe for the books and players.
some FACTS:
Bettorsworld has never threatened any individual or business with bodily harm or extortion unlike other people and sites.

books sometimes opt not to advertise and bettorsworld wishes them the best.

camelot does not qualify and never did to be a bettorsworld book.

mark del has once again proved how unstable he is which probably means if you play at camelot your money is in the hands of someone who threatens the lives of web site owners. who knows, your life could be next.

you are best dealing with your corner book maker than camelot in our opinion.

jeff and i both publish our REAL names unlike del and his army led by half wits like kingofvegas,buzzravenaugh and five or six others. we don't hide-your half wits hide.

BWORLD will never tolerate threats using knives guns or anything else.

Whomever supports this type of action/respone from Del is part of the industries whole problem. A dirty business getting worse with people like del at the head of a sportsbook. he is a pathetic representative of the offshore gaming industry.

NEVER has bettorsworld had a reation from an individual where actual life-threatening statements were made.

You must play by mw rules or you will get "bitch slapped" (the devil) or worse stabbed or shot (del).

sorry, bettorsworld will dig out the trash and expose it. you will not threaten us and simply say "i should not have done it" and thats the end.

mistake-MAJOR mistake--excuse the pun.

bg

[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: bgeorgia ]

[Jeff]

Just to follow up, you'll see Mr Del has quickly followed up with a post at HIS website, followed up with what appears to be Freddy aka the Devil condoning this type of response. Freddy, I'm surprised.

You'll quickly see the legions of people come in who support garbage like this. Some real, some not so real.

The bottom line is, they are trying to turn this industry back into what it was 10-15 years ago when the player had no voice.

Players, open your eyes. Something is not right here. Don't lose what little control you had/have.

Don't support this nonsense. Realize that there are more opinions than just a sportsbook owners opinion.

We recognize that there are others with opinions. They don't. Or won't. They want to manipulate you and brainwash you to agree with everything they say.

You have to know it's bullshit, because anytime over the last 6 years we got out of line or did something people disagreed with there was always someone there to remind us. Where are these people now? Where are these people that are so quick to point out all the wrong that they see? Don't they see anything wrong with this picture??? Are they afraid to speak up in fear of the big mouths that will attack their opinions?

I've always taken the highroad in my dealings with people in this biz. There is no high road to take with people like this.

If the players would prefer to have the "agree with me and say good things about my book or I'll kick your ass" attitude prevail, please let me know and we'll close up shop. I personally want no part of a business or industry run like that.

If you have appreciated any work we've done over the years and value anything done by this website for you over the years, then please boycott this book at all costs.

Lastly. Mark Del refers to me forgetting about the "list". Couldn't be further from the truth. That's what he'd like you to believe. What I was referring to was a COMPLETE LIST of all sportsbooks we knew of. I have NEVER forgotten the list and never will, and Mark knows this. If he didn't, he wouldn't have asked to have been included on it prior to football season.

Don't believe the bullshit.

[lucky panda]

can't we all just get along?

[chestrockwells]

Months ago, MarkDel and Camelot came in here and essentially tried to impose on us the "belief" that his book was great and beyond reproach. This was done with little tact and in a rather forceful manner that certainly didn't endear himself to me and I'm sure others. Now, I have no idea whether Camelot is or is not a good book. Frankly I don't care as I have come to understand that books who use hard sell tactics, often have something that's hard to sell. Camelot is a young book which is run by someone who is not only a bit "volatile" but who also lacks the maturity to know when to bite his tongue. Everyone can make their own decision as to whether you'd want to do business with someone who possesses that type of a combination. What I find the most curious is that someone who puts down this site and its posters continuously...........can at the same time want its acceptance that badly. Recognition and respect should come with time and longevity........not just because you want it, Mark.

[FBallLover]

Very well put CRW.

[Jeff]

chestrockwells last sentence sums it up. Recognition and respect should come with time and longevity........not just because you want it.......

And I would have been more than willing to give both in time. I'm just not going to be told when and how.

Which is really what the troubling part is......

People should be VERY skeptical of a book that has such a close relationship with a site who calls themselves a watchdog.

It's obvious that in their eyes, not all books are created equal. How in the world do the other books over there tolerate the orchestrated effort to bring Camelot attention?

Comparing Camelot to Olympic? No comparison. I think Spiro was booking while still in diapers.

Could a legitimate, REAL person have made a post comparing the two??????

Another astute point made above.......

"What I find the most curious is that someone who puts down this site and its posters continuously...........can at the same time want its acceptance that badly"

Truer words have never been spoken......Mark Del joined the three ring circus early on over there. It's a blatant attempt to take out another voice in the industry so that only theirs can be heard. If all you have is Mark Del and the people in his pocket, then Mark Del gets to dominate the industry. The orchestrated attack might work with some people, but not everyone is that dumb.

Not everyone is that dumb, and I know this from observing over the last several years. People can see through the smokescreen.

[Cashew]

Wow, I can't actually believe this punk Del Popolo is actually a lawyer!

Where did he get his shingle, off someone's roof?

He sounds like just another Italian mobster wannabe...I met guys like this all the time in New York...They have Italian names so they think they're mob types but they're such pussies they'd never have a chance to be a real mafioso so they try to live out their fantasies through talking tough

Want proof Del Popolo is in a fantasy world? That line he uses about hands knives pistols comes from a mobster movie the name of which i forget...and Del Popolo even screws that up...the correct line is 'you use a fist i'll use a knife, you use a knife i'll use a gun, you use a gun i'll use a bomb'

brian, jeff: if you send that email threat from him to the ny bar assn and law enforcement that's the end of him

looks like it won't be long before we're calling him Mark Del Flopolo!!!!! :cool:

[Jeff]

For the record, BWorld does not condone the use of Ethnic background in describing an individual. My family and friends are hard working Italians.

However, feel free to post your opinion of this individual and his tough guy tactics.

[Dragon]

I must admit, this thing confuses me. Let me get this straight. He has no trouble making negative comments about your business, but when the shoe is on the other foot, he threatens you? Sounds like a guy who never grew up. Crazy stuff.

[J.Ellis]

Very dissapointing. I hope Mark D. shows some class and responds with an apology for flying off the handle like that with such threats. Its like my grandfather used to say, there are so few big men but so many big talkers.

[Cashew]

Jeff:

My apologies! I meant nothing against the Italian people...in fact, I have some paisan blood myself...Like that disclaimer says at the beginning of the Godfather movies: the overwhelmingly majority of Italian-Americans are hardworkding loyal citizens and should not be tainted by the small fraction that are involved with organized crime

Having said that, this PUNK Del Popolo who just happens to have an Italian name looks ridiculous sending threatening emails when in reality he is a short fat balding douchebag who couldn't hurt a fly...

I think it's hysterical that this shyster has challenged the bw owners to a duel...i can just see mark del poopolo taking off his little glove and slapping brian across the face and challenging him to a duel with swords..or better yet del poopoo calls out jeff and they have a draw, just like in the old west

again, my apologies to jeff and his lovely wife no offense intended to them

[max1234]

I read the letter and I'm just curious about one thing. Where is the threat? All I saw is an offer to settle things mano a mano, or in this case mano a dos mano. Laying 2-1 and getting even money ain't bad odds if you like to gamble. :confused: