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  • Las Vegas is not Disneyland, Part 7

    The mid-80s were a period of tremendous growth and change in the Las Vegas sportsbetting scene. As Vegas boomed, and new casinos sprouted up almost overnight, numerous new sportsbooks also came into existence. Not only did the newly built casinos have sportsbooks, but the already established casinos that did not--such as the Desert Inn, Frontier, and Tropicana, to name a few--now added them.

    In my opinion, there were four main reasons why every casino at that time felt the need, which had not existed previously, to have a race and sportsbook:

    1) Some tax law, the details of which I can't recall, was introduced, and, in essence, it made it more profitable for casinos to operate race and sportsbooks.

    2) Televised off-track race betting became a reality, and the casinos rightly saw this as an opportunity to lure many more people into their confines.

    3) It became an "in thing" to have one. Sportsbetting was no longer perceived as a sleazy underworld activity, but as a normal recreational activity that could be enjoyed by everyone. When NFL pre-game talk shows included Jimmy The Greek and talks about pointspreads, it signaled that Middle America was ready to wager.

    4) A large, established casino could no longer afford not to have a sportsbook. Otherwise, their customers, hungry for action, would ahead across the street to a competitor that did.

    So, now that sportsbooks were popping up all over the Vegas scene, the question became: where could enough qualified people be found to run them? The answer was, nowhere. How many people were readily available who knew how to book, had the organizational skills to manage a sportsbook, and also were good at dealing with the public? Most serious and
    competent bookmakers were already operating as privates with a large clientele base. Why would they leave a very lucrative, self-owned, tax-free business for the hassles, headaches, and lower pay of a corporate, casino position? The answer is, they wouldn't. Thus, the new sportsbooks were, for the most part, forced to hire an employee
    with experience from an established sportsbook, and hope that he would work out as their sportsbook manager.

    To complicate matters for the new sportsbooks, as soon as they opened, their main clientele immediately became runners with clipboards and walkie talkies. As soon as an ignorant new sportsbook manager would make a mistake moving a line, a runner would pounce on the number. When the steam moves would hit, the runners, now termed "messenger bettors" by the Nevada Gaming Control Board, would all race to the counter to try to be first in line in order to get the original line. After an ignorant sportsbook manager might move the number too far, a runner, often the one who had initated the line movement, would race to the counter and bet the buy-back, thus procuring a juicy middle or scalp for his operation.

    In reality, the real competition facing the sportsbook managers were the syndicate bettors, for whom the runners worked. Organized betting groups such as mine would get an order, usually on a Computer Group or Kosher Boy play, and we'd immediately radio all of our runners, each with a walkie talkie, and the race for the original number among runners for competing groups would be on.

    It is easy to imagine how a sportsbook manager might perceive the group of awaiting runners as unsightly vultures. First of all, many runners had long hair, were unshaven, and dressed like combat soldiers, wearing pants with a multitude of pockets that were stuffed with money. And, imagine the consternation of unsuspecting tourists who were in danger of getting knocked down by runners rushing for the betting windows when the steam hit. I remember my overt frustration when, as a runner, I would rush to the window for numbers, and then I would get stuck behind Joe Tourist making fifteen $10 parlay bets. While my competitor at the adjacent window would be betting the numbers and laughing in my face, I would sometimes curse out loud because of anger due to Joe Tourist costing me my bets. And all the while, Joe Tourist would wonder what the hell was going on.

    Anyway, the situation was finally deemed unacceptable by the sportsbook establishment and the Gaming Control Board and, as a result, progressively stricter measures have been adopted over time in an attempt to neutralize messenger betting. Finally, messenger betting, although it still goes on to a certain extent, has been oficially outlawed in Nevada sportsbooks.

    Messenger betting was outlawed because it costs the sportsbooks money. This is because the big steam plays win more than they lose, and the plays often come close to post time, thus reducing the possibility of buy-back. In essence, off-joints get almost no buy-back and, in effect, end up gambling rather than booking. For these joints, the concept of bookmaking, which is based on balanced action on both sides, is totally unachievable when they are hit by late, smart steam action. Furthermore, since many Vegas sportsbook manager lack true bookmaking skills, they need protection-- meaning constant line updates and freedom from runners ready to pounce on their every mistake.

    In summary, it is totally understandable that off-joints continually update their betting lines without action and that they have banned messenger bettors. As Yogi Berra might put it, "the bottom line is the bottom line." And their bottom line probably looks better because of these measures.

    In fact, regarding the Horseshoe, what I heard was that after old man Binion died , the old lady did an accounting of the sportsbook, the last one in Vegas to take big limits--5 dimes on the sides, two dimes on totals--over the phone. The results were that the sportsbook wasn't making any money. Big steam moves at post time with little buy-back were pinpointed as the problem. The sportsbook manager was canned and limits were dropped.

    When I continue this post, I'll compare Vegas sportsbook managers and offshore BMs.



  • #2
    another great installment!

    I've been thinking that books the degree
    that a book needs to "move on air" has
    much to do with their limits, as well
    as the makeup of their client base of
    bettors. For instance, a book that
    gets enough public action can afford
    to give up a few more steam hits on
    select games as long as they still
    get enough action on other games.

    I've always been a little confused
    about how the late hits a book takes
    and how messengers would make multiple
    bets on one game. I mean, couldn't
    a book simply limit a bettor (beard)
    to one limit play on any game.

    I also heard that some casinos would bar
    certain players for winning,
    much like in BJ. (lem banker?)
    Everyone's heard of local bookies and
    offshore books doing this, but
    is this a "legal" manuever for books
    in Nevada to do this? Seems silly
    when a beard can easily place the bet
    for you. (and if one's sharp enough
    to win consistently, finding a beard
    sounds like an easy problem to solve)


    w.s.

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    • #3
      Thanks for another good read. With steam that hits near game time the book ends up needing the weak side thus gambling on the game. One of my outs moves the moneyline on bases so much that if you got down at the original price you can't resist the scalp that the steam has set up. I know people hit the new number and this sharp book must find itself heavy on the buyback team. The price does finally drift close to normal, but by then anyone wanting that price could have had it.

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      • #4
        A number of Nevada sportsbooks take virtually no big action in baseball and basketball. A syndicate runner at one of these joints could easily bet far more in a day than the rest of the customers combined.

        Finding a beard sounds easy in theory. But whom can you trust? Even ol' Lem Banker has been stiffed by a runner. Does anyone aside from Robby (Polar) remember Abner, a former ticket writer at Gary Austin's who has been a runner in Vegas ever since? Abner stiffed Lem for 21 dimes. He blew the money at a craps table.

        Craps has ruined more than one sportsbettor. Does anyone remember Baseball Joe, a true degenerate derelict who was always conning rich tourists into betting his "sure-thing" baseball parlays, and then giving him a piece of the bounty if they won?

        Anyway, Joe got a stake from someone, and had an incredible day, winning all of his baseball parlays and pocketing 80 dimes. Bally's, where he won the money, knew that Joe was a craps table addict. So they comped him a deluxe suite and covered all of his meals. They knew that if they could just keep Joe there, he would blow all the money at the craps table. Sure enough, Joe blew all the money at the craps table, and back on food stamps he went.

        I often helped Joe out by buying his food stamps. One evening, I walked into the sportsbook at Bally's, and Joe was there. He said, " Buddy, you've helped me so much by buying my food stamps. I've got a free comp for two for dinner at the Barbary Coast, and I'll treat you." Since I was hungry, I went for it.

        At the restaurant, Joe ordered three expensive meals against my one meal. He got the waitress to wrap up two of them to go. The total bill came to around $150. He said, "Buddy, I got no cash. You gotta cover the tip." The $25 tip I left was more than my meal had cost. Then Joe said, "Buddy, I got no place to stay, and since I treated you to dinner, can you loan me $30 for a room?" I loaned Joe the $30.

        Well, when I heard that Joe had won 80 dimes at Bally's, I went there, just for kicks, to see if he'd give me back the $30 that I'd loaned him. What did Joe say when I asked him for the $30? He said, "don't bother me, boy, I'm dealing in dimes."

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        • #5
          I know somebody who started a business in Vegas (advertising) and before he went down there he never bet a cent in his life. He was originally from Toronto and his wife was an American citizen hence he was able to get a Green Card with no problem.

          One day he got a coupon in the mail for a free dinner and show at I believe the Riviera provided he was willing to go for a craps lesson. So he and his wife decided to go for the hell of it to see what all the hype was about.

          The last thing I heard he was divorced, lost his business and was back home living with his parents - at the age of 40+.

          Being a table games addict and living in Vegas can be a deadly mix if you aren't a professional gambler it seems.

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          • #6
            Hartley, the casinos not only make money from the tourists, but from their own employees. Some employees gamble away most everything they earn; so, in effect, they are working for free.

            Vegas is loaded with degenerate gamblers who blow money as soon as they get it and who are always looking to borrow more. It is a town with more than its share of sleazebags and losers.

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            • #7
              Since you guys are talking about losers, let me share one.

              A Japanese businessman who owns one of the biggest shipping lines in Japan was fetched by a chartered plane. He won approximately
              $1M playing baccarat. He was about to go home, rode the plane and told him there was some mechanical failures and it was impossible to take off. Went back to his hotel stayed another night and lose his shirt.

              Now, if you ask me. Was there really something wrong with the plane? No comment.

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              • #8
                Ya, the lure of fast money is going to take
                it's toll on some people. I'm a firm
                believer in the "if it's not one thing, it'd
                be another" philosophy though. Meaning you'd
                probably see this kind of crazy behavior
                come out in some other manor if it weren't
                for gambling. Then again, lets face it,
                it gambling were illegal, most of these
                types would be the first ones to search
                out illegal gambling! I guess you can't
                keep a Bad man Up!

                About the runners in LV, I guess you're right
                Reno about some places not getting enough
                action to balance out the steam moves. Maybe
                this is the cause for all the mergers between
                sportsbooks?, or just another good reason
                of many for the hotels to join forces.
                Now with the new rules though, I understand
                that it's much tougher to use runners so
                mayber Vegas has this solved somewhat.

                To me its interesting how these syndicates
                work. I mean, they must have loads of
                money on a game when they hit every
                book from here to south america, something
                that the
                individual bettor never has to worry
                about. (as long as he can do his own
                work and get down before a steam move
                beats him to it)

                I guess these syndicates only hammer
                a select number of games for them to
                need to bet so much. I've heard
                some of these groups will make
                huge plays (relative to their smaller
                plays) which seems to me to fly in
                the face of conventional money management...
                I dunno maybe I'm just jealous

                thank, w.s.

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                • #9
                  That does bring up a point I've been wondering myself...What I've learned about syndicates, they play widely varying amounts on different games....is this due to a strength rating on thier plays or how much runners can get down on the game? My guess is that they are so good, they can spot a really bad number and really pound it..but you gotta be really good..

                  I used to put my plays in really late, but now I'm trying to get them in as soon as i feel confident with my plays. If most the "smart" money does come in late, this will give the average bettor a better chance to see the moves and possibly get more middles.

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                  • #10
                    One of my favorite Vegas gimmicks is the "Check Cashing" promotions done by many of the local joints.(Sam's Town, the Station Casinos ,etc.) In fact, a buddy of mine was in line at Boulder Station, when a guy 3 spots in front of him cashed his check and won a new Jeep Cherokee on some scratch-off game! It's sad to see many of the people who cash their checks, win a "free Whopper" on the scratch-off game, and run to the tables with their paychecks as a bankroll.
                    One of the many other interesting things I learned from working in Vegas is people working within the industry love to gamble. You'd think, watching tourists lose their money all day, that the casino employees would be the last people to frequent the casinos. However, almost every neighborhood bar has video poker machines as do the grocery stores. I guess it's tough to get gambling out of your blood even knowing the odds are against you.

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                    • #11
                      I look at it this way. Las Vegas casinos, or any other casino in America, offers great value for the
                      tourist gambler. Some games are
                      nearly even odds, but most are about
                      5% negative expectancy. In the short
                      run, anything can happen. Tourists can
                      win or lose and go home, ready to return
                      again someday. For people to play these
                      games full time is crazy. They might as
                      well be donating it to their favorite
                      charity. So know this and others maybe
                      don't care, or simply don't realize the
                      mathmatical implications, etc. Even
                      sports betting is 4.5% negative expectancy
                      for the "dart thrower". But at least one
                      can bet sports to enjoy the games a little
                      more.

                      Then there are the games that can be beaten,
                      namely BJ, vidio poker, sportsbetting,
                      and poker. Granted its hard to do so.

                      So for anyone to say that vegas has ruined
                      them isn't exactly the truth. If anything
                      Vegas and all the other casinos in america
                      are giving the tourist a break compared to
                      what they're offered by the governments
                      of their home states. 20% take horse racing
                      and 50% take lotteries. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!!

                      now, if we can just convince america that
                      the feds have been, are now, and will continue to pull a fast one over us, we
                      might be able to legalize sportsbetting
                      everywhere. Thats its not is simple a
                      joke, imo. Yes, I'm glad there's an
                      offshore industry.


                      w.s.

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                      • #12
                        Underdog I heard a similar story the last time I was in Vegas. Apparently a Japanese businessman came down by charter to Caesar's Palace. In 1 night he lost $1,000,000 playing baccarrat. They figured that was the end of him and he showed up the next month with another $1,000,000 in his pocket. Apparently he won back what he lost, plus another $1,000,000 profit. From what I understand he tipped the ****tail waitress $50,000 and the baccarat dealer $100,000.

                        Of course these stories aren't always accurate.

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                        • #13
                          Concerning Steam:

                          I can say with 99% confidence that money management is an impossible concept for the groups that control the baseball market (pokers) and the NBA/Hockey market (computers).

                          Why? They bet so much money its almost impossible to get the same amount down. If they've got 10-12 offices all over the country, each with 10-20 beards, how in the world can they insure anything? Some nights the offices get down "good", some nights not. Some nights the beards get beat to every number, some nights the beard gets down in 2 or 3 spots on every number.

                          Their bankrolls, and their confidence level would put the fear of God in even the most Lion Hearted of Bookmakers. I've often wondered how spots like Skybook, Skip's, etc can over come it.

                          This is strictly speculation - but if the other books let those guys bet first (and bet a lot a la like Skybook), they'd bust 90% of the offshore operations.

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