College Hoops Week of 12/5

[Danny_Dice]

if u take second half GTOWN, you would have been gettign 15.5 points overall and if you took OVER second half that is like getting the OVERALL OVER at 20 points less than original spread....gotta love thos ehalf-time spreads.

[Danny_Dice]

3 point lead with SE MIZZ....we need them to hold the lead!!!!! Its gonna be a nail biter!!!!

[Danny_Dice]

Sorry dude, MIZZ only won by one and didnt cover 2 point spot. But if were lucky to get it at a pick em'...you won!!! I guess it pays to be patient!!! GL on rest of night to you guys, I say we start breakin donw DUKE/TEXAS game this Saturday at Duke.

[Danny_Dice]

YEA, this BILLY WALTERS is smokin...LOL. whoever he is, this bum is 0-3 tonight with those picks you mentioed above, stick to your own research, listeing to others will only make it worse. Of course, you gusy who post on here are real and your opinions count. So far this week, some of you have had some really great picks. BTW: GTOWN almost covered that 7 point dog spot. Halftime GTOWN bet was nearly a cigar!!!

[Carpet]

Danny

Welcome aboard.....

Some one said lets take a look at DUKE TEXAS


My early early numbers favor Duke by 3

I am also laser beamed in on Illinois and will
add a few others as time permits...

Good Luck to ya

Semper Fi

Carpet

[Carpet]

Woodee12 and Dragon if you didnt know

Bigten/acc Guru Award

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The results are in and thank you everyone for playing

This year we have a 3 way tie for first place,
each of winners picked over 90% correct

CARPET 10-1
WOODEE12 10-1
DRAGON 1952 10-1

SPANG 8-3
OLDLUDS 8-2
MONROEEAFORD 5-5
STATS1280 4-5

Congratulations to our top three guru's and thank you everyone
for being a champion yourselves...

Semper Fi

Carpet

[brink]

Mr Dice -

The plays mentioned above were :

Tenn St +2 (hence the "what happened to the line" comment.....he took it from +2 and +1.5 to pick)

Austin Peay -10.5

Tenn Tech -6.5

That's 2-1


BW is a legend.......was an original member of the computer group. Has taken millions from books......in college hoops, he comes in at night and wipes out the marketplace on the games he plays. 50k is a small bet for him. If you're ever checking lines at your book at night on college hoops, and notice a game you just checked has moved 2 points, it's a good bet he played it.

But yeah, you're also right that you can't follow him. It's virtually impossible to play the games at the same numbers he played at.

[Danny_Dice]

No disrespect to him if he is considered a legend of some sort. Just that i been playing the books for many years and never heard of him...sorry. How can one look at his picks??? Thanks.


BTW: Anyone know how that one point game happened??? Was it a last minute 3-pointer???? Just curious, im sure the players who had MIIZ -2 dont care for thsi question.

[Danny_Dice]

Can someone start a DUKE/TEXAS thread...big game this Saturday I'm sure we all will be looking at. As someone stated earlier, they think Duke will be a 3 point choice but i beg to differ, i think Duke will be laying more and if that is the case....gotta go with the Longhorns with their depth and Duke's lack of depth and freshman play.

[Danny_Dice]

I just did some research on BW and cant believe i never heard of him...sound slike a crazy story also sound slike the Feds really screwed him. Feds just mad cause they dont see any taxes from those winnings.

BTW: Anyone see the Sportscenter? They re-visisted the ASU shaving points scandel back in 94' . I do remember that however i wasnt gambling back then. I still think that shit goes on in college, these college kids dont make any money, they will easil shave points for a few thousand bucks. What do you gusy think?

[brink]

"The average bet he and his partners make on a game is $100,000, but that can go up to a million dollars if the numbers look right."

Story By Jack Sheehan
Illustration by Tim O'Brien

Talk to Billy Walters about his favorite charity, Opportunity Village, the Las Vegas organization that helps seriously disabled and disadvantaged people, and his voice grows soft. He gets emotional instantly. Then change the subject to golf course proprietorship, a topic that as the owner of six area courses he knows better than anyone, and he'll alternate between humor and earnest evaluation as he discusses the challenge of developing and operating championship courses in economically uncertain times.

But bring up the subject of sports gambling , and how he finds the edge that will beat the odds makers more than six times out of ten, and his eyes grow colder than the shark in Jaws, just as it was about to bite into Captain Quint. This is dead-serious business for the man who is considered the biggest sports gambler in America.

Walters is so revered in the tight circle of front-line sports gamblers for his ability to choose the right team at the right time, that other prognosticators bow to the East when talking about him. He might be up a little bit in his career, but betting the huge money that Billy bets and moving the odds the way he does, just boggles the mind. In that arena, he is without question the Man.

When Walters is asked for a self-analysis of his sports betting prowess, he says, "We've done pretty good. And I do think it's probably true that my partners and I are the biggest sports bettors in the world. "

Perhaps because we've caught him in a benevolent mood, on a mid- summer morning in his tastefully decorated Las Vegas office sequestered behind Cili Restaurant in the Bali Hai clubhouse, Walters chooses to share a little information with us on how he determines his picks.

"If you compare me to someone in the stock market, I am a value investor," he says. "I'm like a Warren Buffett. I don't like ridiculous long shots. I look at two teams and determine what the projected outcome should be. If the line that's out there shows enough of a differential, then I'll bet on either side. I don't have favorite teams, and I don't care who wins."

Billy says the constraints of his golf course business keep him from being a totally consumed handicapper. "The research time to analyze a game is something I just don't have," he says. "But what I do have is a lot of different people that provide me with various forms of handicapping information. There are 10 or 12 different ones. These are people I've known for a long time. I know their strengths, I know their weaknesses , and when I do an evaluation it's just like a stock market advisor on Wall Street. The guys at these big funds rely on a lot of analysts to give them information, and they have to know the strengths and weaknesses of these evaluators. Many times I may have five guys on one side, and two on the other , and I will bet against the five. After evaluating everything you can, in the end you have to trust your gut."

Walters says that the public most often bets the favorites; the question he always ponders when the line first comes out is which way is it likely to move. Then he keeps a close eye on injuries and late developments before game time.

Billy bets mainly on college and pro football, as well as basketball. He feels if a game is worth betting on, it's worth betting big on. The average bet he and his partners make on a game is $100,000, but that can go up to a million dollars if the numbers look right. "Usually the biggest bets are made on the college bowl games at the end of the year or the Super Bowl," he says. "By the end of a season you have a great feel for what both teams can do, and can't do."

Walters acknowledges that his bets often move the line, but only because so many scouts are watching what he's doing. "There are people surveilling our people all the time," he says. "They are in the casinos sun up to sun down to see what we're betting. That's what causes the line to move, all these people watching us and betting the way we bet. And that includes the tout services, those guys who advertise guaranteed winners. If the guy could pick winners himself, he'd be betting on them, not running a tout service."

With that, Billy Walters wraps up our conversation and rushes out to check on the new greens that have just been installed at his Bali Hai course.

"These are the best greens in town right now," he says. "You can bet on it."

I decide not to ask him what the line is.

[Carpet]

Brink

With all due respect could you please stop the
post on Billy Waters......Please

I for one dont know him and dont want to listen
to defensive posture you have for him

This is all about basketball, we here to talk ball......don't talk about
those that charge for their services, ...

DO YOU KNOW WHY ?

Some of the best averages in betting comes from those
that know the team and the game...

And believe me the Guys in here know their game
(present company excluded ... me lol)

But please lay off the extended and protracted post
that are well outside the game itself please.......

Thanks sorry for sounding off....

Carpet

Semper Fi

[brink]

Hey Man,

I'm not defending anyone. Soneone asked what happened to the line on one of the games.

The guy is NOT a service and does not sell his picks. He is a player.

I thought this was a sportsbetting forum and figured maybe a couple of you would be interested.

When a guy can control an entire marketplace the way BW can, I think it becomes pretty relevant.

If you were going to make a play on Illinois, and you looked and the line was -6, you get up to take a leak and come back to put your bet in and it's now -8, wouldn't you want to know why? Was it a late breaking injury? Or did BW take your side?

I won't post anymore......I just thought this was a general sportsbetting forum, not just picks, and figured we were here to share info.

Someone asked a basketball specific question, and got the right answer. Then someone else asked for more info, and they got an answer as well........2 for 2

[Boone Moone]

You go boys....It's ALL interesting to me.

[Danny_Dice]

Hey i dont mind the BW story.....

BTW: DUKE/TEXAS game is at the Meadowlands. Bunch of great games on Saturday. I think Duke will open a 3 point chalk.