Cohen Guilty-Article

[Skybook]

DOT MIX
Please reread what I said my friend. I didnt say Rey was good for bookmaking or that i agreed with him in any way shape or form. What I said was I liked that he posted under the name Rey meyers so we all know wh it was that was expressing these opinions. Thats all I said.
Boomer is a friend. I am in support of boomer and have been from day one from what he has told me. Ask him I was the first to show him support in this matter. Please dont interpret what i said as lack of support for Boomer and support for Rey. I only liked that he responded under Rey and not some other name.
I am in support of Boomer , have been from day one, would do anything I can to help him and he knows that. Including driving him home after we drank to much.
I understand why you would be so angry if you misinterpreted what i meant and for that I am sorry.
hope that helped clear what I meant up
take care Lance

[Skybook]

DOTMIX
I really want to make sure you understand what I meant and then i am going to bed. Boomer and I have talked in this forum and over the phone. We have a mutual friend. Based on that alone and the incredible amount of respect i have for him I have invited him to come down and vacation with me on our island.
Trust me I am in total support of him and have a lot of respect for what he did. To come into this forum the way he did and look out for everyone else. To protect them in the future. He did this and took over 8 thousand dollars out of his pocket to do this. I dont think anyone has shown to be more honest then him. Who else do we know that lost 8 thousand dollars standing up for everyone else.

Goodnight Lance

[dylan24]

this is bs. good luck with your appeal
jay. this is a bit off topic..but why
the fuqk won't the us just legalize gambling?
i'm sure most us citizens would favor it.
i mean we did lift prohibition. i think
it is time to do the same with gambling laws.
but i'm sure it will never happen

[bgeorgia]

jay can correct me if i am wrong here but he came back because he believed in our justice system and how it would be a fair process with a fair verdict being given after the facts were rendered.
this was made impossible after the instructions were given to them by the judge.

Webster's Dictionary:
OXYMORON definition =U.S. JUSTICE

Now we can all argue that our system is the best in the world but that is a relative statement. IT STINKS LESS than others -thats all.

to jay, appeal this farce and reverse this travesty.
good luck.
brian

[This message has been edited by bgeorgia (edited 02-29-2000).]

[ShiftySheik]

I hope Jay wasn't offended by my post. Being a bookmaker I hope he would understand. I lost a small bet on verdict at WWTS. I am ashamed of the justice system in the US for their prejudice against Jay during the trial. Good luck on your appeal.

[Skybook]

Shiftyshiek

I do not know Jay but Like all of us I know plenty about him. He has to be thick skinned with a great sense of humor. I think Boomer as was stated just misunderstood what you and MLS meant, as DOTMIX did with me later on.
After speaking to you and BOOMER on the phone in the past and finding out who you to are I can say this. You two are honest really good guys. I am surprised you dont know each other already from this forum. You guys would get along great.
I think everyone is pulling for Jay so much that it becomes such a touchy subject for us all. We all know that every single person in this industry wish nothing but the best for Jay.
Take care Lance

[DoggieStyle]

I have been reading the posts in this site for two months now. They say this site is for bettors to check to see if an offshore book is good or not.

Isn't trust everything?

Skybook,

You are 100% correct! Why would anyone here want to hear a person say "my book does this" and not say what book he is with. If his book is on the cream of the crop he should be proud to say I work for this sportsbook. I'm sure he just does not want anyone to prove what he is saying is bull. If his book stiffs anyone no one will know it's him. HE IS PLAYING A KIDS GAME WITH YOU ALL! Without knowing what book he works for his words are useless!

Skybook, You will be the first offshore book I use. I don't trust anyone who thinks this is the way to build trust! If your with a sportsbook SAY SO. If not don't say "we do this, and we won't ever do that."

In fact I don't every want to play with this persons book because of this reason. How can you trust them?

Do you think we are all kids "intheknow"

[stardust]

Drugs are rampant, crime is everywhere and the government spends my tax dollars to harrass a legitimate businessman for the crime of - aghhhh! taking bets?

How is it that the state can get you to bet and all is well, but when you bet with someone other than the state it becomes a crime?

This country is getting to be a fascist state backed by raw, corrupt power.

The judge sounds like a nit-wit. That is what you get with political appointees - party hacks!

Jury Nullification should be more publicised. I can't believe they brought back a verdict of guilty - all 12 of them.

I hope you do better on appeal Jay - but as we all know the government has unlimited resources - and most litigants do not.

If there is anything I can do to help - let me know.

As always - Good Luck,

Sonny

[Cons]

My faith in the US justice system is now nonexistent.

When a number of people who spent up to 20 years in prison for absolutely nothing had their lives ruined, my interest in the subject was sparked.

When I read in Newsweek that the US has the HIGHEST percentage of the population caged up in prisons (out of all the countries in the world!!!) I cringed.

And now Jay, a pioneer we should all be proud of, is locked up for causing no harm to anyone. OJ Simpson kills two people. VERDICT: not guilty. Jay runs a sportsbook legally in a foreign country: up to 19 years behind bars.

This is disgusting... I have to agree with Brian that US justice really is an oxymoron.

[cashusking]

Good Luck to Jay, you're a true United States HERO. as in sacrificing your own comforts to fight for the freedoms of others.

The only problem is the U.S. ain't worth "saving" anymore. Ya gotta live, think, bribe and steal global. How do you think Georgie Bush and his punk son got their money? Ask the people who got screwed in Mexico.

Drug abusing, rapist and murderer athletes and rap morons are accorded celebrity, Southwest Airlines is a symbol of "FREEDOM" and some suck ass pizza company has a "bill of rights"????

As for the justice system?, let's face it - it isn't a system, it is a BUSINESS. You get as much justice as you can pay for in this country and basically most other countries. Amazing that the south central morons who celebrated O.J. getting off never realized it wasn't a race issue at all - it was a money issue. They're just as ****ed the next time they get busted on a crack possession!

[Skybook]

DOGGIESTYLE
Thanks a lot. I am glad you understand where i was going with that post. Boomer knows as well. I do understand as i have said why Dot mix could have taken it the way he did. I wasnt very clear and he probably didnt follow the other thread and realize I was doing exactly what IKNOWEVERYTHINGABOUTBOOKING
did. I just was returning an unfounded cheap shot, but at least i had the guts to say it was from me.
This whole Jay thing is important to us all. So I totally understand the exchanges and misunderstandings in this thread. Bottom line Jay is AWESOME. He definitly has guts and I like someone who fights for what they believe is right.
Take care Lance
CONTINUOUS LUCK AND SUPPORT JAY

[LysanderSpooner]

Sonny,

I'm not sure how much jury nullification publicity would have helped in Jay's trial. I had hoped that Bettorsworld would get a detailed report of the "voir dire" process in the trial. This is the stage of jury picking (stacking) where the judge intimidates and threatens the prospective jurors should they have any ideas about exercizing their citizens' rights to oversee the government's statutes.

A properly functioning jury system (like the one in force in this country 200 years ago with no judicial jury stacking) could dismantle a "facist state" like ours, even under the current conditions.

Right now the police have us all divided into little groups, each of which are sic-ing the cops on the other. For example, what do most Italian bookies say the moment they get busted? "Drugs are rampant. Why don't the cops bash the black heads of those crack dealers instead of our Italian heads?"

But a properly functioning jury system where jurors are randomly selected and allowed to judge the law as well as the facts of cases would even prevent a divideded, petty, and evil society like ours from developing into a police state.

This is because a unanimous jury verdict is required before anyone is punished. So, even in a screwed up society like ours, unless 12 out of 12 randomly selected jurors are in total agreement that the law is just, then no one will be punished. This, in effect, gives 8 1/3% (1 of 12) of the community a veto on the laws passed by the the other 91 2/3%.

This would prevent Church Ladies from punishing bookies and Soccer Moms from busting cigarette taverns. A jury system like this would have probably stopped the German's laws against the Jews.

However, given the impotency of our current jury system (due to modern "voir dire"), I suggest that a good place for us to start in order to reverse the police state is to stop trying to divert the cops onto some other harmless hapless target group the moment that they bust our doors down.

[hiptwo]

i'am a citizen of the greatest country in the world and i'am ashamed of that fact. this country has done great things in the past.but little by little we lose are rights as citizen and it started a long time ago! if your old time money,power,pay-off's and every bs. you can think of. you are in. if your a hard WORKING HONEST LAW ABIDING CITIZEN YOU ARE F##K this case did not surprise me much. what surprised me was a jury that can't or won't THINK for them self. i don't care what the judge say as far as instructions goes, i think i'am smart enough to see what the hell is going on with this case. it's not just about gambling it's who's got control. end of soap box. thanks

[stardust]

LysanderSpooner,

From what I know, the public can not be present during ("voire dire")jury selection. Getting a detailed report is probably unlikely.

The defense gets twice as many strikes to oust jurors as well, so it is harder to stack the jury - for either side. The advantage is to the defense, with premptory strikes tempered by the holding in Batson v. Kentucky (related to race).

Lastly - this may come as a shock to many people, but a unanimous decision is NOT required in all criminal trials.

I know for a fact that two states at least, Oklahoma being one, convicted and sentenced defendants on less that 12 votes of guilty. I think one was 11-1 and the other was 10-2.

The supreme court upheld the convictions.

As I always say - you only have the rights that you are strong enough to take using either financial, political or plain brute force.

You may have the righ to your money, but if I hold a gun to your head the right exists only in theory. From a practical standpoint, since you can not, by whatever means, exercise that right - it evaporates like a puddle of p i s s in the Nevada desert.

All political power emenates from the barrel of a rifle (Mao). In the end - they will come with guns to enforce the laws.

Ok back to our regularly scheduled program . . .

[LysanderSpooner]

Sonny,
I have witnessed several voire dires as a court watcher. Although, you're correct in pointing out that our right to view "speedy and public trials" is under continuous attack. Likewise, our right to a unanimous jury verdict is being trampled in certain local jurisdictions.

The government always tries to justify its modern jury stacking schemes by saying that the defense has the "advantage" in some sort of competition.

All of these rights--including a defendant's right to be free from a phony jury stacking competition--have eroded slowly for over 200 years. If memory serves, it was around 1798, when Chief Justice John Jay conducted jury trials in the Alien and Sedition cases. There was no jury stacking competition, a unanimous verdict was required for conviction, and Jay, himself, instructed the jurors that it was their right to judge the law as well as the facts. And the Alien and Sedition Acts were controversial statutes, sort of like gambling, porno, and drug laws today.

As for exercizing political rights, sneaking through voire dire and passing judgement on the government's statutes is still one way you can do it without having to out-gun the government.