Capper- You should be ashamed of yourself?

[Mr. Humble]

Ayce what island are you living on. I read your last response in this thread and I am very confused. You say that you knew this tennis info and implied Capper should also have known it. Ill let you think about how silly that sounds. It sounds to me like you know everything and the rest have no clue, but should be just like you. Im a little lost. Dont really understand the 'me,myself and Mr Humble ' line either. Elaborate for us commoners. And I wonder if Olympic has honored his bet or not, probably not. They make the supposed mistake and he pays the price. It also looks like he has been banned from Bettorsworld or is to busy to respond in his defense,who knows. I just hope crap like this doesnt keep happening to gamblers. Hire a guy for $6/hr and make sure there is no chance of past posting,honest or scamming.

[Dukey]

Ayce's philosophy is "guilty before proven proven innocent". In his eyes, any player that has ever past posted did so knowingly.

You should be a judge Ayce, because you'd save the country a lot of tax money. Just strike down your gavel, and render your "guilty" verdict, without hearing all or any of the evidence.

Bad lines and wrong start times, these are never the fault of the sportsbooks. So, don't even ask Ayce if he thinks that the sporstbooks should hire these $6/hr clerks to avoid these mistakes that keep happening over and over again.

Ayce will just simply call you a crook for thinking the way you do. He won't answer the questions posed to him, as to whether the sportsbooks have any responsibility, and what they should do about it.

Ayce simply doesn't understand that these mistakes made by the sportsbooks WILL HAVE REPURCUSSIONS. These repurcussions are negative for both the sportsbook, and the bettor. The sportsbook can get cheated by dishonest bettors, and honest bettors get screwed by not having their bets honoured. Let's not mention the fact that these mistakes made by the sportsbook can easily be used for their financial advantage if they so desired.

Mistakes are simply bad for both the bettors, and the sportsbooks. Either party can use these mistakes to unfairly profit from the other. Since the mistakes stem from the sporstbook, then it is their responsibility to eliminate them. I just don't think they are trying hard enough.

So, Ayce, are you capable of an argument that presents both viewpoints? Or are you just going to label me as an advocate of past posting, again, and try to hide behind the real questions posed, through your false accusations?

[thedevil]

Dukey,

You keep saying that honest bettors won't have their bets honored.. What exactly are you talking about.

Books don't cancel every play made on a game because one guy past posts them. Only the play thats late gets canceled. You keep saying that they are in a win win situation.. That they keep the money from the late losers and declare no bet from the winners..As I've stated to you before you are a very educated man, but you shouldn't be betting as you feel that the offshores are taking advantage of you..

It must be very difficult to sleep thinking every noise is someone trying to rob you. Play with the major books out there, play on time and stop worrying... it will add years to your life


THE DEVIL

[Dukey]

Devil,

I fully understand the past post rules. But as I have said many times before, that there are actually some honest bettors that accidently past post games. These bettors have their bets cancelled through no fault of their own, and the sportsbooks should realize this, and therefore be that much more attentive to their lines and starting times.

As I said above, if the sportsbooks could eliminate these mistakes, then there would be no negative repurcussions for either party. The sportsbooks would never think that their clientele are out to rob them by preying on their mistakes, and the bettors would never think that the sportsbook is being selective in choosing which wagers are honoured, and which ones are not.

So I am not accusing the sportsbooks of being crooked. I am simply suggesting that these problems with mistake games should be eradicated, and the only party with the power to do that is the sportsbook.

The onus is on the sportsbook to put up the correct lines and start times. And if this ever happened, then this would be a mute argument.

If I ever opened up a sportsbook, I would try my hardest to put up the correct lines and start times. Other than paying my customers promptly, this is probably my next most important obligation to them. All the problems that should ever arise do so from my mistakes, and this issue of responsibility would be very important to me.

I simply want to emphasize that the sportsbooks have a tremendous responsibility and obligation, not only to their clientele, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO THEMSELVES, in ensuring that their lines and start times are correct. Too many sportsbooks take this responsibility too lightly, and in the end, both the sportsbook, and the bettor, pay the price.

[AYCE]

Dukey/Alexander (or whatever your name should be),

Let me tell you something, guys like you are actually giving "thief" a bad name than it have already been.

You are just a pathetic losser.

When you are trying to steal and got caught, the only thing that you will do and you can learn is going to some places like this to cry for it.

You don't even know how to play the "game".

When you bet a half time college game and the line was off by 6 pts, you thought you got a steal there. But when you "unfortunately" lost the bet (amazing enough), you still have the balls to come here and with no shame at all to admit,

a) you thought that was a bad line, and you still bet it because you want to take advantage of it.

b) you want your money back from Olympic.

And thats happened after you have yelled in this forum for over 50 to 60 posts about a week ago,

"A BET IS A BET!"

What a joke!

You know what, when a thief will ask a question publicly,

"How can I get the codes of Bill Gate's safe?"

Its just the same as your question,

"Can anyone give me some sites that will have the live scores for Peruian and Japanese leagues? Sorry I can't read Japanese but I also don't want to miss those 'chances'."

WTF you know about J-league soccer and WTF you know about stealing.

You have no idea where I'm coming from, so let me just tell you that I have seen guys like you more than thousands in my life, like most of them, you are just a laughing stock to me.

Please tell Spiro and a few others books to review your bet records, I guarantee your record in Olympic will have a lot of "interesting things".

Want to bet on it?

BTW, you can also check with Spiro, see whether Capper have ever bet 2 times of the max on a "1st set bet offer" on Wimbledon?

Oh yeah, God just told him "the truth" that morning and he should "hammered" on Rosset.

Want a judge? Then tell Capper to sue Olympic, I guess he will have a lots of evidences to support him and you should probably be his lawyer.

Want to learn more? Then try to read more before trying to be a smartass English teacher.

[Dukey]

Ayce,

As usual, you stray from trying to present a valid argument for or against the points that I was trying to make.

You lack any sense of logic, and you try to compensate for that flaw through your groundless accusations.

I have made my points, either address them or don't. Stop avoiding the real issues that I try to present in my arguments.

Go ahead and try to post a point, accuse me of anything you want to, or anything else you want to do. At least try and present a logical case or viewpoint for yourself, and then I would be more than willing to argue those points with you. Go ahead and try me. I doubt you will.

Go ahead and continue with all the accusations against me. Dig up whatever dirt you think you can find. So, come on, I dare you. If you want to debate or argue with me, then let's do it.

If an original idea ever popped into your head, it would die of loneliness.

[Dukey]

From Ayce,

When you bet a halftime college game, and the line was off by 6 pts, you thought you got a steal there. But when you "unfortunately" lost the bet (amazing enough), you still have the balls to come here, and with no shame at all to admit,

a) you thought that was a bad line, and you still bet it because you want to take advantage of it.

b) you want your money back from Olympic

And thats after you have yelled in this forum for over 50 to 60 posts about a week ago,

"A BET IS A BET!"

This is my recollection of events.

Alexander posted a heading of "Bad Line at Olympic?"

He asked any posters if they noticed that the opening or close to opening line for the halftime on the game in question was, let's say o/u 75. He found it odd that the total later closed approximately 6 points higher, because he rarely saw halftime lines fluctuate that much.

All he wanted to know was that if anybody thought the halftime line at o/u 75 could be considered a bad line, because if it was then the bet should have been cancelled.

His line of thinking was that if a halftime line can really fluctuate that much, then how could a sportsbook ever not honour any halftime line that they put up by claiming it was bad.

So he called up Olympic, and asked them to verify that it was a good line, and they did so.

In closing, Alexander was not upset with Olympic, nor did he want his money back.
He just wanted to know if it was a bad line because if, in the future, he ever saw a halftime line that he thought was off, he just wanted to be sure that he could pound it without later being told that it was a bad line because this time around the wager won.

Was there anything wrong with that?

So, please Ayce, tell everybody exactly where you dug up this previous post so that we may all examine it further if we wanted to do so.

Better yet, so that we don't waste our precious time, do the homework for us. Give us quotes from any of Alexander's posts that he, as you stated:

a)thought it was a bad line, and still bet it to his advantage

b)wanted his money back from Olympic

This is how you are supposed to respond to someone else's arguments and accusations. So could you please offer me the same courtesy, Ayce, by giving me an intelligent response to my points, and arguments? I am eagerly awaiting your reply.

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[Unregistered]

Originally posted by REALITY
DEVIL,
YOUR KILLING ME,AM I LOOKING INTO THE MIRROR?

TYSON HAS A BETTER SHOT OF DESIREE WASHINGTON CALLING HIM UP FOR DATE AND THE INDIANA PROSECUTOR PICKING UP THE CHECK FOR DINNER THAN PICKING UP THAT BAG WITH A MILLION IN IT WITH ME IN THE ELEVATOR...

HERE'S MY TAKE ON HONESTY AND INTEGRITY.

HONESTY:IF YOU STEAL A DIME IT WILL COST YOU A DOLLAR...

INTEGRITY:DOING THE RIGHT THING EVEN WHEN NOBODY'S LOOKING...

IN LIFE EVERYTHING IS BLACK OR WHITE.

THE GRAY AREAS EXIST FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO TO PUT IT DELICATELY WISH TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN A LESS THAN HONORABLE MANOR...

Thus the beginning of a friendship...

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by thedevil
Reality,

Maybe we are the same.. Next time in NY call e.c. and t-----t and we'll have dinner.
DEVIL

Thus the beginning of a friendship...