Bet & Win suddenly chages to dime lines

[reno]

Reality, if you earned for 10 years what I'm now earning, you'd be a retired mult-millionaire or own your own sportsbook. You wouldn't be an employee. I make more now than I ever did with my own Vegas operation in the 80s. I'm making 4 to 5 times as much as I did two years ago when I first got started betting offshore. Also, I know a scalper who makes a lot more than I do.(No, it isn't Boomer.) The opportunity now is unprecedented. If someone has a few hundred dimes to work with, the Don Best Screen, 30 outs, and a feel for which way the lines will move, there is good money to be made. Not big sportsbook-owner, Poker Players or Billy Walters-type money, but good money.

Also, I've done plenty of middling in the past, including part of last basketball season. And I may do it again this coming season. But scalping better fits my immature and superficial nature, which is dependent on immediate gratification and cheap thrills.

Endorsing a list of books in this forum is redundant. Bettorsworld already does that. That is their profession. Aside from Skybook, Vegas books, and a couple of fantatic privates I've recently added, every book I now play with is on the Bettorsworld Cream of the Crop List. Why re-invent the wheel?

I'd love to learn something new about betting sports, something rooted in math that pertains to actually creating a superior betting line. Unfortunately, no one has presented that kind of information in this forum or in the "Other Forum." However, you did post some of your cheap dime-a-dozen angles--that don't win--in the "Other Forum." Thank you for not polluting Bettorsworld with them.

[bucky]

Reality,
You must not have been around when Island was slow paying and it took 6-8 weeks to get paid in early 1999. These books can run into problems in a hurry. So tread lightly with your big recommendations and lighten up. Reno was passing along information from personal expieriences which is helpful. Apparently, you don't know there are no guarantees that good books will stay good forever. If you had 100 dimes offshore where would you put it??????? Not all in one book - right?

By the way I am not knocking Island as they got there problems corrected. I assume Starnet will get there problems corrected. The Perplexa fiasco will probably be forgotten in another year but there will be new problems someplace that nobody suspects and with very good shops.

So all you can say is that the books you are currently playing with are treating you good. That information is worthwhile. An endorsement, get real, would you trust your 100 dimes with your best book without a withdrawal until 2005? Lets say you get a 50 dime bonus after the 5 years. Would you do it? Now that is an endorsement I can sink my teeth into. Do you understand why Reno didn't jump on the endorsement bandwagon?

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[bucky]

Alex,
This is your thread and you should know if you don't that B & W doesn't or can't change a line because they are 8 or 9 hours ahead of us and proabably home in bed. So they just stop takeing any action on sides being bet heavily. (computer must do it) Lots of luck getting a quick pay with these guys. You are looking at 2-4 weeks minimum but I haven't played there in 9 months. It was only $300 a game when I played. But, if you can handle the frustration of looking the lines over and haveing a selection you want to try and then haveing the bet turned down because too many other people have bet it you might get a good line once in awhile.

[REALITY]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by reno:
[B]Reality, if you earned for 10 years what I'm now earning, you'd be a retired mult-millionaire or own your own sportsbook. You wouldn't be an employee. I make more now than I ever did with my own Vegas operation in the 80s. I'm making 4 to 5 times as much as I did two years ago when I first got started betting offshore. Also, I know a scalper who makes a lot more than I do.(No, it isn't Boomer.) The opportunity now is unprecedented. If someone has a few hundred dimes to work with, the Don Best Screen, 30 outs, and a feel for which way the lines will move, there is good money to be made. Not big sportsbook-owner, Poker Players or Billy Walters-type money, but good money.

RENO,
YOU KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF ABOUT WHAT YOU EARN SCALPING,BECAUSE IT AIN'T EVEN CLOSE.

3O OF THE BIGGEST OUTS COAST TO COAST AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET DOWN BECAUSE I WASN'T POSTED UP.

IT WAS ALL CREDIT!

Also, I've done plenty of middling in the past, including part of last basketball season. And I may do it again this coming season. But scalping better fits my immature and superficial nature, which is dependent on immediate gratification and cheap thrills.

RENO,
I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS AND THEY LAUGH ABOUT HOW YOU DISAPPEAR FASTER THAN TWENTY DOLLAR BILLS AT SCORES
WHEN IT COMES TIME TO LAY 11/10 TO PLAY THE GAME,SO YOU CAN PEDDLE THAT HERE BUT SPARE ME.

Endorsing a list of books in this forum is redundant. Bettorsworld already does that. That is their profession. Aside from Skybook, Vegas books, and a couple of fantatic privates I've recently added, every book I now play with is on the Bettorsworld Cream of the Crop List. Why re-invent the wheel?

RENO,
I WANTED YOU TO PERSONALLY ENDORSE THE BOOK WITH YOUR NAME LIKE I DID.
YOU WILL NEVER HERE NO PAY SLOW PAY WITH THESE BOOKS.
BUT YOU WERE FAST TO CRITICIZE ME FOR DOING IT BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE STOMACH TO PUT YOUR NAME BEHIND THIS TYPE OF ENDORSEMENT.
ADMIT IT.

I'd love to learn something new about betting sports, something rooted in math that pertains to actually creating a superior betting line. Unfortunately, no one has presented that kind of information in this forum or in the "Other Forum." However, you did post some of your cheap dime-a-dozen angles--that don't win--in the "Other Forum." Thank you for not polluting Bettorsworld with them.

LOU DIAMOND ASKED ABOUT CERTAIN OFF THE WALL DATA HE WANTED TO KEEP TRACK OF IN HIS DATABASE SO I SUGGESTED A FEW ANLE/TRENDS FOR HIM TO LOOK AT.

GO BACK AND REREAD THE POST BEFORE YOU POST SOMETHING AS INCORRECT AS THAT.

NEXT POST...

REALITY

[AussieVamp2]

Reno,

Depends what you mean by learning something knew - you have said I think you are not interested in very many sports?

Obviously mathematical betting discussion type stuff is always of interest.

Then again, others here say they won't reveal their secrets, or think it would be silly to?

[REALITY]

Originally posted by bucky:
Reality,
Do you actually play yourself?
NO,I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTER NOW.
You must not have been around when Island was slow paying and it took 6-8 weeks to get paid in early 1999. These books can run into problems in a hurry. So tread lightly with your big recommendations and lighten up.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THE PROBLEMS YOU ARE REFERRING TO ARE IN THE PAST.

PAYOUT PROBLEMS FOR ISLAND AND SPORTBET ARE OF A LOGISTICAL AND NOT FINANCIAL NATURE.

THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVAMPING THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENTS IN PREPARATION FOR FOOTBALL...

Reno was passing along information from personal expieriences which is helpful. Apparently, you haven't been around that long or you would know there are no guarantees that good books will stay good forever. If you had 100 dimes offshore where would you put it??????? Not all in one book - right?

I'VE ONLY BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 25 YEARS.

YOU HAVE A 100 DIMES TO PUT SOMEWHERE,NO PROBLEM.

TAKE YOUR PICK,C.R.I.S. ABC ISLAND,OLYMPIC,CASABLANCA...

THEY CATER TO PLAYERS WHO BET THAT MUCH ON A GAME....


By the way I am not knocking Island as they got there problems corrected. I assume Starnet will get there problems corrected. The Perplexa fiasco will probably be forgotten in another year but there will be new problems someplace that nobody suspects and with very good shops.

UNIFIED GAMING IS A JOKE AND I HAVE ADVISED ISLAND AND SPORTBET ACCORDINGLY.

DON'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE NEW SOFTWARE AT THESE TWO STORES BEFORE FOOTBALL...

So all you can say is that the books you are currently playing with are treating you good. That information is worthwhile. An endorsement, get real, would you trust your 100 dimes with your best book without a withdrawal until 2005? Lets say you get a 50 dime bonus after the 5 years. Would you do it? Now that is an endorsement I can sink my teeth into. Do you understand why Reno didn't jump on the endorsement bandwagon?

THIS IS MY ENDORSEMENT TO YOU FOR THE LAST TIME.

YOU WILL NEVER HEAR SLOW PAY OR NO PAY IN THE BOOKS I HAVE CHOOSED TO ENDORSE BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS.

ISLAND AND SPORTBET ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVAMPING THEIR ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE ENDOERSED THEM WITH ME NAME BECAUSE I KNOW THE PRINCIPALS INVOLVED AND THEY ARE FINANCIALLY AS SOLID AS THE COME.

SEARCH MY POSTS BEFORE YOU TAKE MY WORD FOR IT AS I HAVE ADVISED IN THE PAST...

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[REALITY]

GOOD MORNING RENO,

ADDRESS THIS ONE POINT BY POINT ...

INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!

REALITY

Originally posted by REALITY:
RENO,
AND ONE OTHER POINT.

YOUR DEFINITION OF A GOOD OUT IS ANY OUT WHERE YOU CAN SCALP TWO CENTS.

AND OH BY THE WAY,THE PHONE CALL HAS TO BE TOLL FREE,BECAUSE THAT COSTS MONEY.

IF YOU CAN'T FILL THE ABOVE ORDER YOUR A CLONE JOINT!

GIVE IT A REST EVERYBODY KNOWS YOUR M.O.!

INSTEAD OF SAYING THERE ARE 20 OTHERS REALITY DIDN'T MENTION AND STARTING THIS PISSING CONTEST,WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST POST RENO'S RECOMMENDED LIST FROM THE GET GO?

IN REGARDS ABOUT THAT CRACK AS A PLAYER A FEW THINGS.

I'M GOING TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY BY PUSHING UP OUR LITTLE DEBATE ON SCALPING WHICH YOU THINK YOU ARE THE KING OF.

REMEBER THIS REGARDING ME AS A PLAYER.

IF YOU LIVE ANOTHER COMPLETE LIFETIME YOU COULD NEVER EARN WHAT I EARNED IN 10 YEARS SCALPING.

I ALSO PLAYED THE MIDDLE GAME WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO RISK SOME MONEY TO PLAY.

YOU KNOW 11/10.

NAH,YOU DON'T KNOW THAT COSTS MONEY...

AND YOU COULD NEVER HAVE PLAYED AS HIGH FOR AS LONG AS I DID BECAUSE THAT COSTS MONEY ALSO...

I PLAYED 30 OUTS FROM COAST TO COAST BEFORE THEY FOUND THERE WAY OUT TO YOUR FRIEND M.THE J.

ON CREDIT!!!

AND THE DEVIL IF HE SO DESIRES CAN ATTEST TO THAT FACT BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE AGENT!

I'M HAVING DINNER WITH THE DEVIL NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT I'M SURE WE WILL BE REHASHING SOME PRETTY GOOD STORIES.

YOU E-MAIL EVERYBODY IN THIS FORUM,IF YOU HAVE HIS E-MAIL,E-MAIL HIM AND SEE WHAT HE TELLS YOU.

YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU JUST DON'T LIKE ANYONE WHO MIGHT JUST KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOU.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR YOUR THRONE HERE AT BETTORSWORLD I'M JUST LOOKING TO HELP ANYONE WHO SEEKS IT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK ONCE I'VE BEEN AROUND IT THREE TIMES FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE COUNTER!

IF I CAN HELP SOMEBODY AVOID SOME PITFALLS ALONG THE WAY THAT'S ENOUGH SATISFACTION FOR ME.

OH BY THE WAY,WHEN B.S.FROM WWTS VISITED AN OFFICE WHERE I WAS SITTING IN THE BOX,HE REMARKED:

KID,YOU TURNED THIS INTO A JOB...

I LIKED TO THINK HE WAS IMPRESSED...

REALITY

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[bucky]

Reality, You didn't answer the question
So your answer is yes? You would put your 100 dimes with Island until 2005 and collect the 50 dime bonus. No withdrawals or you lose the bonus. Play if you want to but you can't go below 100 dimes or you have to reup.
Why did you stop playing? How long has it been since you played? You are criticizeing Reno for picking other people's brains. How did you learn all your strategy's? You probably did not invent them all yourself and I suspect you picked a few brains yourself.

[bucky]

Reality,
30 outs coast to coast. Did you ever get boned out of your winnings?

[AussieVamp2]

Now, barring Jeff doing funky things with his server clock - that 2nd post of reality's was 4 minutes after the other one, now, to put what looks to be around 300 odd words together in 4 minutes, is absolutely impossible for someone that is 'keyboard' impaired. No way you do that with the 2 finger method. Hence the I don't care how the rest of the world does it capitals thing is not from any lack of typing ability, seems there is another reason.

[Alex]

I wondered why my post generated 24 responses in such a short time.

By the way, I'm not saying B&W is the only place to offer dime lines. I'm just pointing out that they've changed from the horrible lines they had and I wonder how long they'll keep them.

bucky, I have been turned down after too many people jumped on a line. It is frustrating.