POSTING A -18 FAV. AT +18 WHAT IS A BOOK TO DO?

[REALITY]

FINISHING OFF A LESS THAN STELLAR SATURDAY TO SAY THE LEAST, THE LINE MANAGER FOR A MAJOR BOOK I DO CONSULTING WORK FOR CALLED ME ABOUT AN INCORRECTLY POSTED LINE IN HIS BOOK.

AN 18 POINT FAVORITE WAS POSTED AS AN 18 POINT DOG.

SUFFICE IT TO SAY THIS GAME ON THE NET GOT BANGED MORE THAN A LOCAL LADY OF THE NIGHT WHEN THE SAILORS DOCK FOR WEEKEND LIBERTY...

I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHAT I TOLD HIM TO DO.

HOW ABOUT SOME FEEDBACK FROM B.M.'S AND PLAYERS ALIKE.

KEEP IN MIND,YOU STEAL A DIME IT WILL COST YOU A DOLLAR.

BROTHER REALITY

THE CHURCH OF HONEST BETTING ETTIQUETE



[This message has been edited by REALITY (edited 11-19-2000).]

[gord]

Reality: I belive that when seeing a bad line the customer should report it and recieve a monetary reward. When a customer bets into a bad line his account should be flagged. After more than one instance the book should warn the customer that he will lose his account privlages if he presists.If the book is considerate enough to delete plays immediatly when a customer makes a mistake then customers should show the book the same consideration.

[REALITY]

GORD,

WELL THOUGHT OUT ANSWER.

THE FIRST PARISHIONER IN BROTHER REALITY'S CHURCH OF HONEST BETTING ETTIQUETE.

AT LEAST WE KNOW WE CAN TRUST BROTHER GORD WITH THE COLLECTION PLATE.

BROTHER REALITY

[Railbird]

The cutoff is at -4 on pointspreads and -170 on M.Lines.otherwise its a non issue,offshore.In Vegas however all bets stand.Thats the rule of thumb.

[REALITY]

RAILBIRD,

COULD YOU EXPLAIN THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL?

REALITY

[-UB-]

As long as the book has a rule for obvious line errors, it is ok to delete the bets BEFORE the game kicks. If they do not cancel the bets before the event starts, they should be honored.

[REALITY]

UB,

WELCOME TO THE CHURCH OF HONEST BETTING ETTIQUETE,YOUR PARISHIONER #2.

BROTHER REALITY

[jlpblade]

Can I receive membership for past good deeds (or idiotic behavior)? Many, many years ago I corrected a wager at Sacho's that was 100 times too big. My agent couldn't believe it, but if it was a dime turned into 100k, I'm not sure what I would have done - after I recovered consciousness.

Jeff

[REALITY]

BROTHER BLADE,

WELCOME.

YOUR IN.

DO YOUR PENANCE FOR USING INDIVIDUALS REAL NAME AND SIN NO MORE...

BROTHER REALITY

[windmill]

Absolutely pathetic. If the bookmaker can't hire people to check their lines, to hell with them. You post a #, you take the bet, you honor the bet. The rest is just whining crap. I've seen books cancel total bets that they claimed were bad.. 6 points off the consensus. Laughable.

[REALITY]

WINDMILL,

OUR FIRST SINNER!

SIX POINTS OFF THE CONSENSUS LINE AND YOU WERE LOOKING TO GET PAID?

SORRY.

YOUR DEFINITELY IN THE WRONG CHURCH...

REPENT AND SEE THE ERROR OF YOUR THINKING.

EVENTUALLY YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN AND AT LEAST YOU'LL SPLIT YOUR OVERTIME DECISIONS...

BROTHER REALITY

[windmill]

At what point would you consider the # to be wrong?? 2,3,4,5,6 ?? Oh great one. Please enlighten us as to whether a # is off or the man is actually taking a stand.Oh, that's right, you want everyone to be in synchronous goose step as to the #. That is called LAZY.

[Bookiebar]

Two sides to the issue as I see it, first is keeping credibility within the bookmaking industry by posting correct lines and standing by them as people bet into them and checking then double checking that they are indeed the lines you are going comfortable with. How hard is it to get a techic to write a software program to check your lines against those of other book (check out http://www.heron-solutions.co.uk/odd...web/index.html and there are many more). Heck most books clone their lines anyway and if they cannot clone their lines with any accuracy or are putting up too many lines that they cannot check them properly then they should ask themselves why they are attempting to be a bookmaker. Thus one would have to say that if you put up a line you have to honour it or else where does it stop, how about a line that is +5 instead of -5 or a ML of 260 instead of 240? If you start reversing people’s bets because of faults by the bookmakers then how can you trust any of the lines posted on a site?

The second issue is of course that human error (or computer error for that matter) does and always will happen. Thus the bookmaker needs to have some protection from these accidents. However this obviously needs to be some form of "if the line is more than x amount different than the current average posted on donbest" or something along the lines of that, and it would need to be placed in the rules/terms listed at the book. Their does however need to be a standard and Railbird brought this up.

I am of the opinion that if you stuff it up, live with it. It does the book (and the industry) more harm than good dishonouring peoples bets whatever the reason. I believe there was a discussion recently on this forum about sportsbetting.com and its rule about dishonouring "professional gamblers" bets, and it is "roughly" the same issue. If you put up a line and people even "professional" people buy into it you have to honour it or why are you in business? If you cannot take a hit on a bad line then how solid is the book? And if your taking a huge hit and not realising it then your bookmaker is not doing his job.

A sports book is in the business of selling odds and the book is only as good as the odds it sells (and honours).

[pnanda]

If it looks to good to be true, it usually is. As a bettor, one must realize this.IMHO, if a line mistake this obvious is made all bets should be voided.

[windmill]

Can someone tell me exactly when this mindset of BAD LINES CAN BE CANCELLED mentality began?? Was it the advent of offshores?? You get a ticket in Vegas, they honor the bet. You bet thru locals, they BETTER honor it (one who means it). Never had a problem. Until recently with whiny offshores.