Which are clone joints and which are NOT?

[REALITY]

GUIDO GRASSHOPPA,

SENSAI REALITY WASA OUTASTANDING HANNYCAPPA ATA ONA TIMA...

HEA STUDA A GAMAS ALLA HIGHTA LONGA UNTILA SUN SHOWA ITS A FACE...

SENSAI TOPA SAHLECTIONS HAVA EXTREMELY HIGHA WINNING PAHCENTAGE...

UNAFOHTUNATELY A RESTA OFA SAHLECTIONS JUSTA SO SO...

SENSAI AHDICTED TOA SPORTSA BEEPAH LIKA KRACKAHEADS INA OPIUMA DEN...

SENSAI HADA TOA HAVA WAGAH ONA EVERY GAMA...

HE LOVE THE FLAHSHING ANDA BEEPING OFA BEEPAH..

EVENTUAHLLY HE SUFFA FROMHA ANCIENT GAHMBLING DISEASEA ASA OLDA ASA TIME...

FUNZLOW!

WHENA TIMA COME THAT SENSAI LOOK INTO WELL ANDA NO LONGAH SEEYA BAHEUTIFUL FACE HE GETTA HISA FIRSTA DOSA OFA REAHLITY..

WELLA DRY!

AND INA THATA MOMENT HE KNOWA HE MUSTA MAKA LIFE AHLTERING DAHCISION...

SENSAI CANNA COMMITA HARRI KARRI BY SWAHLOWING BEEPHA,

INA WICHA CASE MANY FRIENDS ATA WAKE WILLA BE CRYING NOTA AHBOUTA THE PASSIN OFA SENSAI...

BUTA AHBOUT THE PASSIN OFA THEIR YEN...

ORA MUCHA MORA HONORABLE CHOICEA...

HEA GO TOA WORKA ONA OTHAH SIDA OFA COUNTA AND SOMEADAY ALA FRIENDSA PAID!

THISA HIGHA MOUNTAHN TOA CLIMBA AND ATA TIMES WORSA THANA CHINEY A WAHTA TORTCHA...

BUT THISA BETTAH PAIN TOA ENDURAH THANA TO SEEA THE SADA FACES OFA THE A FRENZA ANDA RELAHTIVES YOU OWE!

FOR WHATA ISA MAN?

WHATA HASA HE GOT?

IFA NOTA HIMSELF,

THENA HE HAS NOT...

THANKA FOR YOU FOR MAKING SENSAI SUFFAH A LITTLE MORE BY THINKING ABOUTA EHMPTY WELL!

GO NOW WEEDHOPPA ANDA FINDA YOUR OWNA WAY...

NO MOHRA QUESTIONS THATA CAUSA SENSAI TO REFLECTA ONA MISSASPENT YOUTH...

SENSAI REALITY

[REALITY]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DoggieStyle:
[B] Reality,

I have seen people do exactly what you have said.

That very same method also cost those people alot of money at times. It seem the players were taking advantage of the books from time to time, Because the books seem to always put up such bad opening numbers and NOBODY except the players seemed to know. Hum... What a suprise!

DOGGIE,

I USED TWO LINE SERVICES AND A HOUSE HANDICAPPER.

I HAD THREE SETS OF LINES TO LOOK AT BEFORE I OPENED TO A DOZEN WISEGUYS FOR A HALF LIMIT BET.

THIS SYSTEM WORKED EXTREMELY WELL FOR ME.

I NEVER HAD A LOSING SEASON FOR THE PEOPLE I WORKED FOR.

Those guys (players) will really rip you apart if you don't know what your doing. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I SAW THIS HAPPEN! And wanted to VOMIT!


IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ THE FACES YOU CAN'T BE A SUCCESFUL BOOK...


YOU might be different, But the guys I saw book like that all lost way too much money to those players. They always ended moving the number 2 and 3 points sometimes just to get even. There's NO WAY IT WAS HELPING THEM TO BOOK.


AGAIN,IF YOU CAN'T READ THE FACES CORRECTLY AND MOVE YOUR LINE ACCORDINGLY YOU WON'T WIN...


If a number is BAD... It's BAD!!!!!! YOU CAN'T MAKE IT UP!!!! EVER!


THAT'S WHAT THE 30 MINUTE LOTTERY IS FOR.

TO IRON OUT AND ALERT YOU TO WEAK NUMBERS.

IF A WISEGUY LAYS ME 5 AT THE OPENER I MIGHT GO RIGHT TO 6.

IF ANOTHER WISEGUY TAKES THE 6,I'M NOW AT 5.5 WHICH IN ALL PROBABILTY IS THE RIGHT NUMBER.

KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE HALF LIMIT BETS SO MY LINE IS IRONED OUT AND I HAVE A BET ON BOTH SIDES IN A HOUSE THAT WRITES IT ALL WITH MINIMUM EXPOSURE IN THE LINE.

NOT A BAD SITUATION TO BE IN...


And that is My point...... YOU, THE BOOKIE has got to be smarter than that!

You have to know what the number should be, BEFORE YOU TAKE EVEN 1 BET or your already getting taken advantage of by these players!


IF MY OPINION IS BAD I'LL TAKE THE HOUSE DOWN WITH ME...

IF MY OPINION IS THAT GOOD,WHY WOULDN'T I JUST BET INSTEAD OF TRAVELING FROM ONE THIRD WORLD COUNTRY TO ANOTHER,TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING?


You also have the mathmatical edge! You can open the line with an advantage at times.... THE PLAYER CAN NOT! You can TRAP the player... The player CAN'T trap you.


I DISAGREE.

IF YOUR OPINION IS WRONG AND YOUR LINE IS SUCH THAT THE PLAYER IS FINDING EXCEPTIONAL VALUE IN YOUR OPINIONATED NUMBER ,AND THIS IS HAPPENING ON A REGULAR BASIS,YOUR NO LONGER BOOKING HIM.

THE PLAYER IS BOOKING YOU!


But..

Wouldn't that get kind of boring though? If someone just used other peoples opinions to open their lines.

If someone just moved their lines every time the Don Best went black. How important does that make that person?

And how much WORK could it really be?

But hey... What you are saying is 100% correct. I NEVER SAID YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

REALITY.... If someone said "We are throwing out any players that are semi-professional or higher, And any player that beats in a Don Best move"

If somebody said that...... What would they need us for?


DOGGIE,

YOU MAKE SOME VALID POINTS.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WEAK NUMBERS DESTROY BOOKS FASTER THAN STRONG PLAYERS DO.

THE TALENT OF THE BOOKMAKER IS HIS ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE PROFIT BY MINIMIZING RISK.

HE ACCOMPLISHES THIS GOAL BY PRUDENT MANAGEMENT OF THE LINE FROM IT'S INCEPTION TO POST TIME.

THE GREAT ONES JUST DO THE JOB A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE...

REALITY



[This message has been edited by REALITY (edited 12-09-2000).]

[jinxbebe]

Besides Cris and olympic you guys left out one.
Caribi often open with their own lines and copied by others.

[guidoS]

[quote]Originally posted by REALITY:
[b]

Originally posted by DoggieStyle:
Reality,

Dear Massa Sensai,
Sorry to inflict the pain of self-reflection into ur misspent youth, and i will take my search for the meaning of REALITY to another mountain as u suggest, but could u just answer the question below that u posed in ur doggie response?
I'm sure many of us in the forum see ourselves in ur candid remarks before jumping over the counter! but to my way of thinking, (which is probably wrong), i would much rather beat 'em than join 'em! which brings
up another question, which i promise will be my last before looking for my new mountain, did u get a favorable response from the guy looking to sell the "online, well-established, sportsbook"?

IF MY OPINION IS THAT GOOD,WHY WOULDN'T I JUST BET INSTEAD OF TRAVELING FROM ONE THIRD WORLD COUNTRY TO ANOTHER,TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING?

guido grasshopper



[This message has been edited by REALITY (edited 12-09-2000).]

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by REALITY
AH!!!BMBOY888,

ITSA FERY GOODA QUESTION YOUUU AASK!

INA FUTBOL SEASONA LIKA DIS:

SENSAI SAY:

ITA BETTA TO A MOVA ONA AIR,THENA TO DIE FROMA LACKA OF IT...

SYONARA!

[This message has been edited by REALITY (edited 12-08-2000).]

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by REALITY
DONA BEST ON!

DONA BEST OFF!

DONA BEST ON!

DONA BEST OFF!

GOOD WORKA WEEDHOPPA!

AFTER YOUA FINISH YOU GOA TOA WESTERN UNION.

MR.MYOGI LOVE OVAH IN TOKYO GIANTS GAME TODAY...

HUURRY WEEDAHOPPA GAME GO SOON!!!

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by REALITY
BLESS ME RENO FOR I HAVE SINNED,

I MOVED A LINE ON AIR AGAIN...

PLEASE DON'T COMDEMN ME TO CLONE JOINT HELL,

I ONLY MOVE WHEN I HEAR THE DON BEST BELL,

I JUST CAN'T HELP IT WHEN I SEE BLACK BARS,

I ONLY MOVE IT TO SAVE MY HOUSE AND CARS...

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by REALITY
DOGGIE,

WHEN YOU WALK IN A SHOP FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THE OWNER SAYS HE DOSEN'T WANT WISEGUY ACTION THE B.M.HAS TO BE PREPARED FOR A TOUGH ROAD TO HOE.

HE HAS TO CHART THE OPENERS AND CLOSERS.

HE HAS TO MARK THE TIME OF THE MOVES.

HE HAS TO REVIEW EVERY GAME CHART TO IDENTIFY WHO IS BEATING THE MOVE IN.

ON TOP OF ALL THIS HE HAS TO MANAGE THE LINES HE HAS POSTED.

EVERYONE THINKS MANAGING A PLACE THAT DOSEN'T ACCEPT WISEGUY ACTION IS EASY...

IT'S A TEDIOUS JOB WHICH REQUIRES A GREAT AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ON GUARD FOR SNEAKERS.

THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT A HOUSE THAT WRITES IT ALL IS A DAY AT THE BEACH.

IN A HOUSE THAT WRITES IT ALL YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE TALENT.

THE ORIGINATORS,THE MOVERS,AND THE SHARPS.

THEN YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE HOW MUCH YOU RESPECT THEIR PLAY SO YOU CAN DETERMINE HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THE LINE.

I ONCE POSTED THAT IN A SHOP LIKE THIS I WOULD OPEN MY LINE TO A DOZEN PLAYERS FOR 30 MINUTES BEFORE I OPENED IT UP FOR EVERYBODY.

YOU SAID YOU KNOW THE TWELVE PLAYERS.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT YOU DON'T.

YOU DEFINITELY KNOW SIX.

THE OTHER SIX ARE SMALL HANDICAPPERS THAT HAVE PLAYED ME FOR YEARS.

YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT THEY DO AS WELL IF NOT BETTER THAN THE MORE WELL KNOWN PLAYERS.

YOU MAKE A HAND CHART OF THEIR PLAYS AND ADJUST THE LINE ACCORDINGLY.

I REALLY ENJOY WRITING BIG ACTION DESPITE THE FACT THAT MY HOLD WILL BE LOWER BECAUSE OF THE EXPOSURE IN THE LINE.

BILLY SCOTT STOPPED BY TO SEE AN OPERATION I WAS RUNNING TWO YEARS AGO.

HE COULDN'T BELIEVE I WON 6% IN BASEBALL WITH A TRUE DIME LINE.

HE PAID ME PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST COMPLIMENTS I HAVE EVER RECEIVED.

AFTER SEEING MY WORK ETHIC AND MY PREPARATION,HE SAID,"SON,YOU'VE TURNED THIS INTO A JOB"

I LIKE TO THINK HE WAS IMPRESSED WITH WHAT HE SAW...

REALITY

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by REALITY
GUIDO GRASSHOPPA,

SENSAI REALITY WASA OUTASTANDING HANNYCAPPA ATA ONA TIMA...

HEA STUDA A GAMAS ALLA HIGHTA LONGA UNTILA SUN SHOWA ITS A FACE...

SENSAI TOPA SAHLECTIONS HAVA EXTREMELY HIGHA WINNING PAHCENTAGE...

UNAFOHTUNATELY A RESTA OFA SAHLECTIONS JUSTA SO SO...

SENSAI AHDICTED TOA SPORTSA BEEPAH LIKA KRACKAHEADS INA OPIUMA DEN...

SENSAI HADA TOA HAVA WAGAH ONA EVERY GAMA...

HE LOVE THE FLAHSHING ANDA BEEPING OFA BEEPAH..

EVENTUAHLLY HE SUFFA FROMHA ANCIENT GAHMBLING DISEASEA ASA OLDA ASA TIME...

FUNZLOW!

WHENA TIMA COME THAT SENSAI LOOK INTO WELL ANDA NO LONGAH SEEYA BAHEUTIFUL FACE HE GETTA HISA FIRSTA DOSA OFA REAHLITY..

WELLA DRY!

AND INA THATA MOMENT HE KNOWA HE MUSTA MAKA LIFE AHLTERING DAHCISION...

SENSAI CANNA COMMITA HARRI KARRI BY SWAHLOWING BEEPHA,

INA WICHA CASE MANY FRIENDS ATA WAKE WILLA BE CRYING NOTA AHBOUTA THE PASSIN OFA SENSAI...

BUTA AHBOUT THE PASSIN OFA THEIR YEN...

ORA MUCHA MORA HONORABLE CHOICEA...

HEA GO TOA WORKA ONA OTHAH SIDA OFA COUNTA AND SOMEADAY ALA FRIENDSA PAID!

THISA HIGHA MOUNTAHN TOA CLIMBA AND ATA TIMES WORSA THANA CHINEY A WAHTA TORTCHA...

BUT THISA BETTAH PAIN TOA ENDURAH THANA TO SEEA THE SADA FACES OFA THE A FRENZA ANDA RELAHTIVES YOU OWE!

FOR WHATA ISA MAN?

WHATA HASA HE GOT?

IFA NOTA HIMSELF,

THENA HE HAS NOT...

THANKA FOR YOU FOR MAKING SENSAI SUFFAH A LITTLE MORE BY THINKING ABOUTA EHMPTY WELL!

GO NOW WEEDHOPPA ANDA FINDA YOUR OWNA WAY...

NO MOHRA QUESTIONS THATA CAUSA SENSAI TO REFLECTA ONA MISSASPENT YOUTH...

SENSAI REALITY

[Unregistered]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by REALITY
[B]

Originally posted by DoggieStyle:
Reality,

I have seen people do exactly what you have said.

That very same method also cost those people alot of money at times. It seem the players were taking advantage of the books from time to time, Because the books seem to always put up such bad opening numbers and NOBODY except the players seemed to know. Hum... What a suprise!

DOGGIE,

I USED TWO LINE SERVICES AND A HOUSE HANDICAPPER.

I HAD THREE SETS OF LINES TO LOOK AT BEFORE I OPENED TO A DOZEN WISEGUYS FOR A HALF LIMIT BET.

THIS SYSTEM WORKED EXTREMELY WELL FOR ME.

I NEVER HAD A LOSING SEASON FOR THE PEOPLE I WORKED FOR.

Those guys (players) will really rip you apart if you don't know what your doing. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I SAW THIS HAPPEN! And wanted to VOMIT!


IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ THE FACES YOU CAN'T BE A SUCCESFUL BOOK...


YOU might be different, But the guys I saw book like that all lost way too much money to those players. They always ended moving the number 2 and 3 points sometimes just to get even. There's NO WAY IT WAS HELPING THEM TO BOOK.


AGAIN,IF YOU CAN'T READ THE FACES CORRECTLY AND MOVE YOUR LINE ACCORDINGLY YOU WON'T WIN...


If a number is BAD... It's BAD!!!!!! YOU CAN'T MAKE IT UP!!!! EVER!


THAT'S WHAT THE 30 MINUTE LOTTERY IS FOR.

TO IRON OUT AND ALERT YOU TO WEAK NUMBERS.

IF A WISEGUY LAYS ME 5 AT THE OPENER I MIGHT GO RIGHT TO 6.

IF ANOTHER WISEGUY TAKES THE 6,I'M NOW AT 5.5 WHICH IN ALL PROBABILTY IS THE RIGHT NUMBER.

KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE HALF LIMIT BETS SO MY LINE IS IRONED OUT AND I HAVE A BET ON BOTH SIDES IN A HOUSE THAT WRITES IT ALL WITH MINIMUM EXPOSURE IN THE LINE.

NOT A BAD SITUATION TO BE IN...


And that is My point...... YOU, THE BOOKIE has got to be smarter than that!

You have to know what the number should be, BEFORE YOU TAKE EVEN 1 BET or your already getting taken advantage of by these players!


IF MY OPINION IS BAD I'LL TAKE THE HOUSE DOWN WITH ME...

IF MY OPINION IS THAT GOOD,WHY WOULDN'T I JUST BET INSTEAD OF TRAVELING FROM ONE THIRD WORLD COUNTRY TO ANOTHER,TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING?


You also have the mathmatical edge! You can open the line with an advantage at times.... THE PLAYER CAN NOT! You can TRAP the player... The player CAN'T trap you.


I DISAGREE.

IF YOUR OPINION IS WRONG AND YOUR LINE IS SUCH THAT THE PLAYER IS FINDING EXCEPTIONAL VALUE IN YOUR OPINIONATED NUMBER ,AND THIS IS HAPPENING ON A REGULAR BASIS,YOUR NO LONGER BOOKING HIM.

THE PLAYER IS BOOKING YOU!


But..

Wouldn't that get kind of boring though? If someone just used other peoples opinions to open their lines.

If someone just moved their lines every time the Don Best went black. How important does that make that person?

And how much WORK could it really be?

But hey... What you are saying is 100% correct. I NEVER SAID YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

REALITY.... If someone said "We are throwing out any players that are semi-professional or higher, And any player that beats in a Don Best move"

If somebody said that...... What would they need us for?


DOGGIE,

YOU MAKE SOME VALID POINTS.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WEAK NUMBERS DESTROY BOOKS FASTER THAN STRONG PLAYERS DO.

THE TALENT OF THE BOOKMAKER IS HIS ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE PROFIT BY MINIMIZING RISK.

HE ACCOMPLISHES THIS GOAL BY PRUDENT MANAGEMENT OF THE LINE FROM IT'S INCEPTION TO POST TIME.

THE GREAT ONES JUST DO THE JOB A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE...

REALITY



[This message has been edited by REALITY (edited 12-09-2000).]

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