ROYAL SPORTS TO THE RESCUE!! (aces gold )

[Ticktape]

"Not much of a deal for anyone out over $1000 ...
Basically it is a 25% bonus with a 6X rollover requirement"

mls, I believe this "NON RESCUE" offer actually starts at $501.
Edit: Actually, I think it starts at $501 & ends at $1000 of loss at AG. The statement about case by case over $5000 appears misleading to me.

[ 02-16-2002: Message edited by: Ticktape ]

[uh-oh]

so i still have to chase my money with even more money. if i open an acct at a place that offers me 20% am i not better off?

[Jeff]

no one is "fooling" anyone. Is the deal for everyone? Of course not. Is the deal for me personally? No. My figure at aces was much higher.

But what about the guy that is going to continue playing offshore and does qualify ? Maybe he doesn't have an account at Royal yet. This gives him the chance to sign up and play at Royal under terms not previously available AND give him a chance to get even on the stiff.

Would I go for something like this if I qualified? Absolutely I would.

To say Royal is wrong for tring to profit from it is down right moronic.

Do you think Santa Clause is going to make an extra visit this year and pay everyone out of the kindness of his heart?

Do you think anyone is going to come along and purchase all of aces customers and then say, ok guys, we have your accounts now, do what you want with the money!?

My question to those that are skeptics is....what do you propose any given sportsbook does in an effort to help and or bail out?

Again, it might not be for everyone, but hats off to Royal for at least making an offer to help by offering more than they normally do to those that qualify.

Maybe more will follow. Maybe they won't.

There's no magic formula.

[mls]

As Jeff said "is Royal wrong from trying to profit" from this disaster ...

Afterall there will always be those who try to "profit" from the misfortune of others.

A local attorney was recently disbarred from doing the exact same thing as Royal ...

Following any serious injury or death he would visit the grieving family and explain that he felt so bad that he would "take their case for no money down and only 40% rather than the 50% all other attorneys were charging."

Several poor and illiterate victims fell for this line, even though the attorney was offering even less than the local standard ... much like Royal Sports is doing here ... a con man acting the savior.

Jeff originally praised this deal as "fantastic" (though now he seems to have reconsidered) ... the tragedy is that others will fall for this just as quickly ... hoping to recoup their losses ... unknowingly throwing more money out the window.

Only a moron would accept Royal Sports generous offer (see simple mathematical proof above) ...

My advice to Royal sports is that if you want to help, then really help ... don't run a scam seeking to profit from this disaster while in actuality giving nothing at all (or less than nothing) ...

[Ticktape]

I think it is a great offer for those who lost up to $250. Above that, labeling it a "rescue", well, it is NOT.

[mls]

And as for other books ...

They are under no obligation to help ...

At least anyone who lost over $1000 who accepts nothing will be better off than the poor morons who accept Royal Sport's "fantastic" offer ...

[chestrockwells]

MLS,
I understand what you're saying BUT, there's one very important point that you're missing. Your argument is wholly based on the INCORRECT assumption or "inference" made by yourself that ALL books on the list are equal. That is clearly and has always CLEARLY not been true. If, it were true then your argument would be sound.
Last time I checked, there were over 50 books on the list. I'm not knocking the list but, in all seriousness it's a bit ridiculous to argue that Royal is not a more "secure" deal than a 12 1/2% offered by some of the smaller, lesser known or more recently opened books. Are there more "secure" books than Royal on the list??? Sure, but are they offering a deal? Are they offering half juice on NBA (limited hours daily)
and half juice on NFL overnights on weekends?
and are they dealing a dime line come baseball season?
It's easy to pick apart a deal and you're not the only one with basic math skills around here........but look at the whole picture. Otherwise you'll be indirectly inplying that Alladins is as safe as Royal. Hey, they're both on the list. I mean PLEASE.

[mls]

chestrockwells:

I fail to see why Royal Sports is so safe ... afterall, just off the top of my head I can think of 2 enormous failures of books in Curacau where customers did not receive a dime (that is where Royal Sports is isn't it?)

I just looked at the list and surely, in my opinion anyway, Royal Sports would have to be in the bottom 15 with regard to betting options and safety... (which is why I never bothered to post up there) ...

Any book in Curacau has to be very suspect now ...

[Jeff]

ANY book in Curacao is suspect due to another books actions?

That's not a fair statement. The statement would have to be across the board that all books are suspect. Not based on location.

[mls]

Jeff ...

Location doesn't matter??

How many books have disappeared with all their customers funds in Antigua, or Australia, or Europe, or Canada ... (all have excellent government controls) ...

With a few obvious exceptions, I plan to stick to these locations in the future.

Curacau has had a very high rate of book failures (2 spectacular failures, and at least 2 bailouts I know of) ...

Location doesn't matter ...

Amazing ...

[chestrockwells]

MLS, that is a very VERY unfair statement. Location is not the issue here. I understand you're pissed off and I'm pissed off too. And I'm very willing to use any angle, any pressure and all my creativity to try to recoup most if not all of my lost mid 4 figures at Aces. But I've been with Royal since '96 and have had borderline issues settled in my favor, so I am apt to give them the benefit. Your statement, I believe, is not only false but borderline outrageous, and I hope that as time goes by you'll come to see that what you've said here is rather harsh and frankly not very constructive, given the circumstances. Let's never forget the deal that Legal/Five Card worked out for FairDeal last year and how sweet that would seem right now and why it will never happen that way. WHY? Partly because of people like you who tore them a new asshole for not paying ONE person. Because people whose money is ultimately not at stake have the luxury of the moral high ground. So let's temper our comments FOR THE MOMENT and hope that you, MLS is right and that a better offer in this Aces mess is somewhere down the road.

[Jeff]

Books in Antigua have no paid and slow paid.

Books in Europe have stiffed.

Canada? The Canadien gov't would probably rather not have some books and casinos sittong on a reservation.

Austrailia, so far the only big winner, but this is also a system yet to be tested. It looks promising though. lthough when I had a credit card problem with Canbet, the govt did me no good whatsoever.

Even more amazing....

[mls]

First of all, I never said anything about the Fair Deal matter ...

And on second thought, since "only" 50% of the books I have played with located in Curacau have either disappeared or had to be bailed out, I suppose Curacau might be safe enough afterall ...

[mls]

I have played in at least 20 books in the past two years ...

I suppose it is only a coincidence that the two serious book failures I faced were both in Curacau ...

But lightning won't strike 3 times in the same place ...

Jeff, stick by "the List" and "fantastic" deals that are nothing but smoke and mirror scams ...

I am tired of Curacau failures ... I'll sleep better at night without waiting on the inevitable third lightning strike ...

(By the way, the government has intervened successfully for me in minor disputes in Antigua, Austrailia, and Europe over the past 6 years.)

[chestrockwells]

I didn't say YOU did MLS. I said people like you. And secondly, there's a certain amount of spin inherent in everything. You, me, Royal, whomever. None of us, I suspect are angels. But how constructive I ask once again are your harsh comments? You may very well be willing to just move on and just play at the places you mentioned......and that would be fine. But how about the rest of us? How about some of us who have been playing with Royal for years? No, we're just going to put all our own personal insight and experiences aside just because YOU have decided to embark on a personal CRUSADE against CURACAO. Suggest an alternative within the offer, adjust it to a point where you think it would be a better offer. Do something constructive instead of slamming a book that up to this moment has had a spotless record. Something more constructive than starting threads reiterating your points and your current prejudices.