CRIS ANNOUNCEMENT

[The Phantom]

Anyone remember SDB Global a few years back. That was the most solid book out there before they got closed roght? They ran their business very efficently. What they did in baseball was they dealt a 20 cent line, if somebody called in and requested the 10 cent line, then they would deal the 10 cent line to that specific account and everybody else got the 20 cent, that way I think everybody was pretty happy. Of course you either got 20 cent or 10 cent for the entire season, you were not allow to jump from one to the other. Why don't the books consider this option as well.

The Phantom

[The Phantom]

One other thing, cashman I believ in your right to be upset about the change and your right to express it, but I sense like if you are taking this as a personal attack. Everytime someones mentions a 20cent line you go BEZERK. Just an opinion not an attack or anything like that

The Phantom

[Boomer]

I have to agree with Cashman here. I think just as many of the sportsbook are uniting, so should we unite as players and let them know that we DO NOT INTEND TO PLAY YOUR MORE PROFITABLE SPORTS such as football if you switch to 20 cent lines for baseball.

They are desirous of presenting a united front, fine, I say we present a unity also and let them know that if you rake us over the coals on baseball, WE ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY WON'T GIVE YOU ONE DIME OF PLAY COME FOOTBALL SEASON. Period.

That is my stance. There are way too many SOLID books that deserve and will get my support year-round. I do not believe that they are losing money (no matter who comes in hear and tells us so), I believe they had a bad year and things will even out.

I will go public right now that any book that goes to a twenty cent line will not get my business come football season. You guys want to "price-fix" fine, but don't expect to see hide nor hair of me during your "profitable" seasons.

I hope all my gambling brothers will support me on this and band together. Let's show this "cartel" that they do not have a monopoly (like OPEC and this ridiculous gasoline price situation) and that a free and ever-expanding marketplace will dictate fair lines and also fair play.

I also want to say I'm very happy to have Reno back in the fold, you were missed my friend.

[The Phantom]

Hey boomer,

I bet you just gave a lot of books another reason to go to 20 cents LOL. You always make a profit out of them. and some say you complain too much LOL

Good Luck

The Phantom

[Boomer]

The Phantom...

I appreciate your point of view. I however, do not have the talent to beat a twenty cent line. Neither does anyone else.

Would you like to play a game where you could not possibly win. I wouldn't and I won't.

If you would like to see baseball lines go to twenty cents, you are either a) the world's best handicapper or b) a bookmaker.

This isn't a personal attack, just a statement of fact. NO ONE can beat a twenty cent line unless he makes 20 PLAYS A YEAR (if he's VERY lucky).

It's not as bad as state lotteries, but it's up there.

[bbuster]

Boomer- It seems rather riducolous to say that no one can make money betting into a 20 cent baseball line. Its the same as basketball and football and I dont believe that you would say no one can beat those sports. Also If I am a favorite player I would be unaffected by a move to a wider line so therefore If I played chalk into a 10 cent line and won, playing into a 20 cent line wouldnt change anything(unless they make favorites more expensive ie 10 cent line -120 and +110 now 20 cent line -125 and +105 then everyone is affected.)

[karma]

Cris stated
>>>The fact is the betting syndicates are not the factor during the summer months although they may be the most affected by the extra 10 cents. The reality is the general public is what beats up the bookmaker during baseball. At least the wiseguys will look for and understand value.<<<


??? I don't understand your logic whatsoever. If the wise guy passes on a sport that the "squares" win all day long at, than the squares ARE the wise guys! If the wise guy is looking for value and misses something the squares beat. The squares ARE the ones using value to the fullest. Are you trying telling us your wise guy isn't sharp enough to realize that if a square can win, he can win? Com'on!

Baseball is a very steaky sport. Good baseball cappers can hammer a "win run" ALL season, EVERY season.
It's a six month season...
Only 30 teams to analyze...
160 games per team...
Deeper analysis...
A lot of weight is decided on 1 man (pitcher).

Yes you get 9 months with the other major 5. CBB NBA NHL NFL CFB.
But now you have as much as 10 times the shorter schedule.
As many as 10 times the teams to analyze.
These sports are by far more team oriented.

I find it hard to believe that these wise guys you talk about pass up this opportunity that even the squares win money at.
Maybe they have a certain "niche" for NBA totals or something like that. But that is so few and far in between.

If I were a book with power to move lines, I'd:
*hook up with a sharp handicapper
*hook up with a popular line serivce.
*look for the best plays early
*call a few bookmaking and line service "freinds"
*make the plays and tell them these are the orders.
*exaggerate line moves on the plays I like.
*watch the other books move off my NOW "awesome" number.
*watch the public follow that move and move it more.
*Buy back and play multiple middles with the best prices available in the world.
*Risk on few games, that were already handicapped, that didn't get the extra public push.
*Count money

Please remember, this is what I would do. I do not see anything wrong with that. That's part of the benefits of running a successful business without burning people. Nobody is forced to buy a line. That's why if I did do it...I would fully disclose it.

[The Phantom]

Boomer,

I don't know if you had noticed yet, but I have still not given my opinion on the 20 cent line. I have just given opinions on opinions here. To be honest I don't like baseball too much but have a friend that is REALLY good at it (except with the braves, he is a braves fan and always bets on the braves) and I bet what he does most of the time and he really doesn't care about the 20 cent line. He says he bets the fav on books that have the 20 and if he wants to bet an uderdog he will just bet on a book with a 10 cent line, no big deal, he says their will always be books that have 10 cent line, even if it's for attracting business.

Still not my opinion, just my friends

Good Luck

The Phantom

[BigMoney]

Phantom, you shouldn't think that a book going to a 20 cent line will not affect the price of a favorite. I'd expect the line to move to be at least 5 cents higher for a favorite, as compared to a dime line.

20 cent line is a poorer deal for any player.

[premiereleague]

So I happen in here once again to see this post and just couldn't help but ask a few questions and make a few points.

First off, there are a number of posters that claim that if a book goes to a wide line in baseball the book is no longer useful to them and they will pull their funds out. Rediculous, if you can't get value on the dogs, just play your favourites there.

To those people I will also ask how many of you lost money in baseball season last year or any year? Hmmm! By now all the scalpers are taken aback. How dare Eddie come in here with such argumentative comments. Well, scalpers exist and thrive at the expense of the books they play into. The next common claim is "well we are providing volume and action........" You all seem to think you are doing a book such a great service with "YOUR VOLUME" Folks let's be real here, all the action in the world means nothing if you can't beat it. So the next time you wish to make that statement remember what Eddie just said.

Boy am I making some enemies in here now! Please guys don't be so thin skinned, by now I hope you are accustomed my candor, and understand that in fact I enjoy playing the devil's advocate once in a while. With luck you will realize that I do offer valuable information somewhere in the midst of my rambling.

My next question is really "how much customer loyalty really exists out there?" You threaten to remove your funds and come football season the sportsbook would have lost your business and the added volume you would contribute. Question "do you wager on football"? Hmmm!!!! Most of the heavy money movers close shop at the end of Baseball season. Much of the money made in Baseball season is spent buying dinner for the ladies in Asia. Just ask Reno, my old friend; he will tell you all about it!

Guys, really you will never understand it unless you've been in our shoes. You cannot compare the cost of doing business on the street with no overhead to an offshore facility for the same purpose. The cost of doing business offshore is extensive. Consider this, 75 gs/year for a license, several hundred gs/month in marketing, upwards of 50 gs/month in communication costs, software license fees and costs of other ancilliary equipment;ie back up generator to ensure constant power......... something you all consider a GIVEN. Oh I almost forgot, what about all the scam artists we deal with out there? Hmmm! You mean this business has them. Every book probably faces several hundred thousands of dollars every year in losses due to fraud. Think we can call State Farm and claim on it? We certainly cannot call our local attorney?

Then you say what about all that money you made in football season? Well sure football season is profitable, but in fact some of those profits are usually used to cushion the fall in Baseball season. How many of you complain because you've got to pay $40 to have a check Fedexed to you "after" you have just taken your sports book for 10 dimes? Yet we should not worry about having to pay out much of our profits to players who were not responsible for them in the first place. You ask any sportsbook owner, he will never complain if a recreational player beats him
up in a lucky streak. Why, because those players are responsible for the earnings of the sportsbook in the first place, and they should win too.

Now the books are not asking for your sympathy here, and they will probably not receive any, but in the midst of your complaints, consider the points above.

The point is, adding to Joe's comments earlier, the sportsbook is running a business, not unlike any other and will adapt a business practice acceptible to ensure a proffit. I have always said and will continue to say, if a book offers value in the numbers they deal you, why go elsewhere?

As Usual

Eddie

Ps: We will maintain the dime line!!!! Have a great Day!!

[DoubleJJ]

If CRIS moves to the 20 cent line, and "thats where the line orinates", and assuming that, the wsie gusy will pass...what exactly will we be watching the Donn Best screen for?? The square money moves???,,Cashman , you say it perfectly...JJ

[reno]

Eddie, if all the books go to a 20-cent line in baseball, I'll still be able to buy dinners for the girls in Asia. But I won't be able to pay for their drinks. The drinks are where I squandered my baseball profits.

What will be interesting to see come baseball is how Don Best books that maintain the 10-cent line open their numbers. For example, if CRIS has a game -150/+130 would a 10-cent place open it -150/+140,
-145/+135, or -140/+130? Maybe the 10-cent places will simply look to follow a sharp 10-cent line baseball book like Skybook.

[BigMoney]

If CRIS goes to a 20 cent line, it would be questioned whether they have the sharpest baseball lines around. And the wise guys certainly wouldn't play into it.

I'd suggest that any books going to a 20 cent line be replaced on the premium Don Best feed, with a sharp store dealing a 10 cent line. This would be more useful to the players looking for a sharp line, and would be more likely to show lines that are worth playing.

[scott]

Reno-Someone finally stated the real reason behind all this hysteria. The books are using weak #s. Does anyone on either side of this BS subject think if the books dealt strong #s this would even be considered? The current #s are so bad the players can still win going up against a 20cent line. I dealt to the sharpest of the sharps for eight baseball seasons and still won using a 10cent line. You were there. Scotty

[BigMoney]

I know some must think I'm a heretic to suggest that some of the "sharp" books on the Don Best premium feed might be replaced with others. But look at it this way: the players are paying $500 per month for the feed. Why?

First, the players want to see a sharp line to judge weakness in other lines that they may be considering playing. When the lines differ, then can usually assume that the differing line they are playing has value.

Second, the players want to see the lines from places they might play, to keep from having to call and get umpteen rundowns over the phone.

Now, consider that one of these "sharp" books goes to a 20 cent baseball line. They are inherently admitting that their lines isn't so sharp. And since the wiseguys will pass it up, it won't get any sharper. This store will be in the situation of following other books' moves.

And as far as the line being useful to someone trying to play (to save the time to call and get a rundown), I don't think so. People are not going to pay $500 per month to play into the worst number.

So yes, as crazy as it sounds, I'd ask Dana to replace such books on the premium feed with another that's more useful to the players, at least for the baseball season.